Yeah I just read about this too... What the hell is with these rich celebrity types falling for this scientology crap anyway?
I don't get it. I didn't get it with Tom Cruise and now this. Wtf.
-Uninspired
Jett Travolta. Death by Scientology?, page 1
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Topic started on 3-1-2009 @ 10:29 AM by Terapin
Jett Travolta dies in the Bahamas the other day when during a seizure, he fell and hit his head on the bathtub. Could this have been prevented?
Perhaps so.
John Travolta and Kelly Preston, Jetts parents, are both active in the cult of Scientology. At an early age Jett developed significant health problems and according to the Travoltas, was diagnosed with Kawasaki disease, which is a little understood disease involving vasculitis, lymph node issues, and often cardiac problems. Kawasaki disease is most common in young male children in Japan. Studies by Harvard and others, pointed to some possible connection with carpet cleaning chemicals, but no no conclusive cause was made. While some have made statements that Jett was also autistic, the Travoltas have denied this.
The Travoltas chose to follow the teachings of their cult, and instead of regular medical treatment, went with a Scientology detoxification program to treat their son. Kelly Preston went on a Television crusade against chemicals in the home environment, yet mysteriously insisted on frequent carpet cleaning for their home.
Were Jetts health problems due to something other than Kawasaki disease? 80% of the patients with Kawasakis disease are younger than 5 years old and the condition is treatable. While death is rarely caused by Kawasakis disease, when it does occur it is generally due to heart attacks.
The cult of Scientology has a long history of deaths due to lack of proper medical treatment. The case of Lisa McPherson is perhaps the most well known and documented. Given the History of cult deaths, wacky "medical treatments" and the choice by the Travoltas to follow Cult detoxification methods with Jett, is it possible that he would still be alive today if his parents were not blinded by the cult?
Why are they Dead?
Other children have been abused by the cult and you can learn more here from young adults who managed to escape the cult hell their parrents put them through.
Ex Scientology Kids
John Travolta and Kelly Preston, Jetts parents, are both active in the cult of Scientology. At an early age Jett developed significant health problems and according to the Travoltas, was diagnosed with Kawasaki disease, which is a little understood disease involving vasculitis, lymph node issues, and often cardiac problems. Kawasaki disease is most common in young male children in Japan. Studies by Harvard and others, pointed to some possible connection with carpet cleaning chemicals, but no no conclusive cause was made. While some have made statements that Jett was also autistic, the Travoltas have denied this.
The Travoltas chose to follow the teachings of their cult, and instead of regular medical treatment, went with a Scientology detoxification program to treat their son. Kelly Preston went on a Television crusade against chemicals in the home environment, yet mysteriously insisted on frequent carpet cleaning for their home.
Were Jetts health problems due to something other than Kawasaki disease? 80% of the patients with Kawasakis disease are younger than 5 years old and the condition is treatable. While death is rarely caused by Kawasakis disease, when it does occur it is generally due to heart attacks.
The cult of Scientology has a long history of deaths due to lack of proper medical treatment. The case of Lisa McPherson is perhaps the most well known and documented. Given the History of cult deaths, wacky "medical treatments" and the choice by the Travoltas to follow Cult detoxification methods with Jett, is it possible that he would still be alive today if his parents were not blinded by the cult?
Why are they Dead?
Other children have been abused by the cult and you can learn more here from young adults who managed to escape the cult hell their parrents put them through.
Ex Scientology Kids
, fall for a cult created by a con man who was a second rate science fiction writer at best.
If you choose to believe in Xenu the destroyer and his souls in volcano pish then do it in your own time dont harm your kids. I really think
scientology could become as dangerous as Islam in say 50 years, thats if we last that longreply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 11:09 AM by Terapin
reply to post by uninspired
If you want to find out about Scientology in your area, perhaps these people could direct you in the right direction. The Local Anon chapter, Anon San Fransisco
If you want to find out about Scientology in your area, perhaps these people could direct you in the right direction. The Local Anon chapter, Anon San Fransisco
reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 11:24 AM by uninspired
reply to post by BornPatriot
I'll check that out when I get to work, I know what you mean about hating people telling you what to do. When people try and tell me to do something I tend to resist...im stubborn that way. There is a difference between asking and telling.
-Uninspired
I'll check that out when I get to work, I know what you mean about hating people telling you what to do. When people try and tell me to do something I tend to resist...im stubborn that way. There is a difference between asking and telling.
-Uninspired
reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:00 PM by silo13
reply to post by Terapin
Where do you get your (seemingly) first hand knowledge of the goings on in the home of Mr. & Mrs. Travolta?
Some supermarket rag or are you a carpet cleaner for the rich and famous?
For you to use this excuse to attack Scientology, through them, or, attack any parent in their time of greatest loss is not only despicable but disgusting.
It’s not for you to judge their souls or their belief systems, much less now.
As for Jetts Kawasaki disease, he had an outbreak at TWO years old. Not at 16.
Kawasaki disease almost never reappears - it’s extremely rare to have an outbreak again, especially at 16.
Jett is/was commonly referred to as a Kawasaki disease SURVIVOR!
Only 1-2 % of the children who contact Kawasaki disease die from it - even AFTER hospital treatment for the disease when they are young.
I see no reason - nor do the authorities - why their actions (or inactions as you so slimily elude to) caused this child's death and for you to assume the responsibility falls at the door of the parents is reprehensible.
[edit on 3-1-2009 by silo13]
Where do you get your (seemingly) first hand knowledge of the goings on in the home of Mr. & Mrs. Travolta?
Some supermarket rag or are you a carpet cleaner for the rich and famous?
Kelly Preston went on a Television crusade against chemicals in the home environment, yet mysteriously insisted on frequent carpet cleaning for their home.
For you to use this excuse to attack Scientology, through them, or, attack any parent in their time of greatest loss is not only despicable but disgusting.
It’s not for you to judge their souls or their belief systems, much less now.
As for Jetts Kawasaki disease, he had an outbreak at TWO years old. Not at 16.
Kawasaki disease almost never reappears - it’s extremely rare to have an outbreak again, especially at 16.
Jett is/was commonly referred to as a Kawasaki disease SURVIVOR!
Only 1-2 % of the children who contact Kawasaki disease die from it - even AFTER hospital treatment for the disease when they are young.
I see no reason - nor do the authorities - why their actions (or inactions as you so slimily elude to) caused this child's death and for you to assume the responsibility falls at the door of the parents is reprehensible.
[edit on 3-1-2009 by silo13]
reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:31 PM by Terapin
reply to post by silo13
Kellp Pretson spoke at length on a number of Television shows about her Scientology beliefs, Jetts condition, and the Scientology based treatments they were giving him. This is a matter of well established public record which you can easily confirm for yourself. Jett has had severe health issues since he was two years old.
In addition, Scientology does not recognize Autism in any way although six different pediatricians diagnosed Jett with autism, as well as a media rep from the Autism Society of America, an executive from Cure Autism Now. Since for Scientologists like John and Kelly, Autism does not exist, any treatment Jett might receive would not be in his best interest. While Sylvester Stallone, Dan Marino and Doug Flutie, who have autistic children, have long championed research John Travolta has so far done nothing to help raise awareness about autism. In addition, several people who have met Jett in person describe his behavior as typical of an Autistic Child. He did not speak, needed "handlers" or Nannys to maintain him, demonstrated typical autistic body movements, and had the blank stare one often finds in these cases. You can see his behavior on video and look for yourself if you wish to deny ignorance. John and Kelly went to great lenghts to prevent anyone from seeing their son, yet their younger daughter often appears with them. Perhaps one should look to the time when Kelly Preston took Jett to the movies. When there he had a typical autistic outburst, and Kelly simply looked at the nanny, said "deal with it" and continued to watch the film while Jett was led away. Does that sound like a rational, careing parent to you?
The story of Jett afflictions and treatment are well documented by reputable sources and had been widely discussed long before his tragic death. And I agree with you, it is tragic and I understand the grieving his parents must be suffering right now. Just because they are Scientologists, does not mean that they are not in pain. The loss of any child is always tragic. My point was, that when anyone denies their children proper medical care, it is wrong. While you talk about his having Kawasakis disease at two, Kelly and John continued to claim that Kawasakis was the sole reason for Jetts health issues, and treated it with Scientology based methods.
The Cult of Scientology has a long and established history of doing just that. Perhaps you should look at what happened to Lisa McPherson before you claim that this is only some uncredited story from an entertainment rag.
Kellp Pretson spoke at length on a number of Television shows about her Scientology beliefs, Jetts condition, and the Scientology based treatments they were giving him. This is a matter of well established public record which you can easily confirm for yourself. Jett has had severe health issues since he was two years old.
In addition, Scientology does not recognize Autism in any way although six different pediatricians diagnosed Jett with autism, as well as a media rep from the Autism Society of America, an executive from Cure Autism Now. Since for Scientologists like John and Kelly, Autism does not exist, any treatment Jett might receive would not be in his best interest. While Sylvester Stallone, Dan Marino and Doug Flutie, who have autistic children, have long championed research John Travolta has so far done nothing to help raise awareness about autism. In addition, several people who have met Jett in person describe his behavior as typical of an Autistic Child. He did not speak, needed "handlers" or Nannys to maintain him, demonstrated typical autistic body movements, and had the blank stare one often finds in these cases. You can see his behavior on video and look for yourself if you wish to deny ignorance. John and Kelly went to great lenghts to prevent anyone from seeing their son, yet their younger daughter often appears with them. Perhaps one should look to the time when Kelly Preston took Jett to the movies. When there he had a typical autistic outburst, and Kelly simply looked at the nanny, said "deal with it" and continued to watch the film while Jett was led away. Does that sound like a rational, careing parent to you?
The story of Jett afflictions and treatment are well documented by reputable sources and had been widely discussed long before his tragic death. And I agree with you, it is tragic and I understand the grieving his parents must be suffering right now. Just because they are Scientologists, does not mean that they are not in pain. The loss of any child is always tragic. My point was, that when anyone denies their children proper medical care, it is wrong. While you talk about his having Kawasakis disease at two, Kelly and John continued to claim that Kawasakis was the sole reason for Jetts health issues, and treated it with Scientology based methods.
The Cult of Scientology has a long and established history of doing just that. Perhaps you should look at what happened to Lisa McPherson before you claim that this is only some uncredited story from an entertainment rag.
reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 01:35 PM by Pocky
reply to post by Terapin
I think the knowledge that their son's Kawasaki could have been brought on by chemicals in the carpet cleaning products, could have also been a factor toward the way they would approach caring for him in the future. I heard that they had two nannies caring for him, but maybe they got too confident and kept him out of sight or maybe he tripped and this happened. Not sure if the seizure came before or after.
I think the knowledge that their son's Kawasaki could have been brought on by chemicals in the carpet cleaning products, could have also been a factor toward the way they would approach caring for him in the future. I heard that they had two nannies caring for him, but maybe they got too confident and kept him out of sight or maybe he tripped and this happened. Not sure if the seizure came before or after.
reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 01:37 PM by silo13
reply to post by Terapin
Yes, if her daughter was with her then yes, she was being a caring and conscience parent by removing the disturbance, in they case her son, from interrupting everyone's movie, and, remaining with other child.
But again you post something with no *proof* other than your word.
Where’s the article on the above situation?
Where’s the article that she cleaned her carpets too excess?
Where in the article does she (or anyone) state that chemicals were used to clean the carpets?
I clean mine all the time and what do I use?
Boiling hot water and vinegar.
And my point is there has been NO claim by any person in authority these parents denied their child anything, much less something that provoked or caused his death!
How do you know - or - where is the *proof* these parents did not treat their son?
Kawasaki disease is treated DURING the outbreak - with aspirin and gamma globulin.
Also with body detox.
Good for them they folowed up on detox through the child's life to prevent a reoccurrence, however infinitesimally minute the chance of a reoccurrence might have been.
So good for them. They kept his body clean. Best thing they could have done.
But to date, you - or no one at this point - even KNOWS what the cause of death was, and if had - or not - anything to do with Kawasaki's disease! Which again, and I repeat, almost NEVER returns to a child after the initial onset of disease.
Lisa McPherson has NOTHING to do with this young mans death other than people like you who're doing all they can to attack a family at it’s weakest point, and, discredit Scientology, when in FACT there is NO PROOF (to date) Scientology had ANYTHING to do with this child's death.
I asked YOU where you got YOUR information about the carpet cleaning - from a *supermarket rag* or not.
Don’t try to twist my words for you will surely fail in this case.
*P*E*A*C*E*
When there he had a typical autistic outburst, and Kelly simply looked at the nanny, said "deal with it" and continued to watch the film while Jett was led away. Does that sound like a rational, careing parent to you?
Yes, if her daughter was with her then yes, she was being a caring and conscience parent by removing the disturbance, in they case her son, from interrupting everyone's movie, and, remaining with other child.
But again you post something with no *proof* other than your word.
Where’s the article on the above situation?
Where’s the article that she cleaned her carpets too excess?
Where in the article does she (or anyone) state that chemicals were used to clean the carpets?
I clean mine all the time and what do I use?
Boiling hot water and vinegar.
My point was, that when anyone denies their children proper medical care, it is wrong.
And my point is there has been NO claim by any person in authority these parents denied their child anything, much less something that provoked or caused his death!
How do you know - or - where is the *proof* these parents did not treat their son?
Kawasaki disease is treated DURING the outbreak - with aspirin and gamma globulin.
Also with body detox.
Good for them they folowed up on detox through the child's life to prevent a reoccurrence, however infinitesimally minute the chance of a reoccurrence might have been.
While you talk about his having Kawasakis disease at two, Kelly and John continued to claim that Kawasakis was the sole reason for Jetts health issues, and treated it with Scientology based methods.
So good for them. They kept his body clean. Best thing they could have done.
But to date, you - or no one at this point - even KNOWS what the cause of death was, and if had - or not - anything to do with Kawasaki's disease! Which again, and I repeat, almost NEVER returns to a child after the initial onset of disease.
The Cult of Scientology has a long and established history of doing just that. Perhaps you should look at what happened to Lisa McPherson before you claim that this is only some uncredited story from an entertainment rag.
Lisa McPherson has NOTHING to do with this young mans death other than people like you who're doing all they can to attack a family at it’s weakest point, and, discredit Scientology, when in FACT there is NO PROOF (to date) Scientology had ANYTHING to do with this child's death.
I asked YOU where you got YOUR information about the carpet cleaning - from a *supermarket rag* or not.
Don’t try to twist my words for you will surely fail in this case.
*P*E*A*C*E*
reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 01:56 PM by silo13
reply to post by Terapin
Oh this is just insane!
You're damning them if they do and damning them when they don’t!
Two Nannies that never left his side! ---- Baby care monitors!
They OBVIOUSLY loved their son very much and took the VERY BEST care of them they possibly could!
This child was as close to being *bulletproof* (as they say) as possible!
But what - you claim they are not *loving caring parents*!
What’s your beef - because whatever it is - it’s rotten and overripe and it STINKS!
If you’ve got a beef with Scientologists over their treatment or non treatment of children - you’re not doing anti-scientologists any favor by shining the light on this case.
The Travolta’s obviously did everything in their care, as you’ve even stated above, to keep their child healthy, happy and as free as possible from harm
There is NO indication by anyone they withheld anything from this child that might have helped them.
If anything you’re proving the case these parents in particular did nothing but the best for their child.
As for this child being autistic or not - the *point* of your thread?
His being autistic or not makes NO difference.
There’s no main stream medicine or any other that autistic children can be given to *cure* autism!
You insinuate these parents denied their child something main steam medicine could have given him to cure him.
To insinuate they withheld a cure from their son is not only blatantly not fare, but ignorant as well.
*P*E*A*C*E*
A recent report confirms that John Travolta's lawyer and close friend, Michael McDermott, and family attorney Michael Ossi, both of whom are with John in the Bahamas, stated to the press and police that two nannies were present on the trip and were by Jetts side constantly. There was a baby monitor device by Jett's side and there was also a chimer in the bathroom to alert when the door opened. Unwell 16 year olds do not in general need baby monitoring devices just to go to the bathroom. This is typical of the level of care needed with autistic children.
Oh this is just insane!
You're damning them if they do and damning them when they don’t!
Two Nannies that never left his side! ---- Baby care monitors!
They OBVIOUSLY loved their son very much and took the VERY BEST care of them they possibly could!
This child was as close to being *bulletproof* (as they say) as possible!
But what - you claim they are not *loving caring parents*!
What’s your beef - because whatever it is - it’s rotten and overripe and it STINKS!
If a parent has a child that is diagnosed with diabetes, and chooses to follow a religious treatment of feeding them nothing but oatmeal, when the child dies at a young age, would the parents have any responsibility? What about the parents of a child with leukemia, who choose to do nothing because it is gods will? (true case)
If you’ve got a beef with Scientologists over their treatment or non treatment of children - you’re not doing anti-scientologists any favor by shining the light on this case.
The Travolta’s obviously did everything in their care, as you’ve even stated above, to keep their child healthy, happy and as free as possible from harm
There is NO indication by anyone they withheld anything from this child that might have helped them.
If anything you’re proving the case these parents in particular did nothing but the best for their child.
By denying the existence of Autism, did John and Kelly do the right thing? That is the point of this thread. Not to make fun of Jett, or laugh at his very tragic death, but to point out the danger of Cults and how much they can control their victims lives.
As for this child being autistic or not - the *point* of your thread?
His being autistic or not makes NO difference.
There’s no main stream medicine or any other that autistic children can be given to *cure* autism!
You insinuate these parents denied their child something main steam medicine could have given him to cure him.
To insinuate they withheld a cure from their son is not only blatantly not fare, but ignorant as well.
*P*E*A*C*E*
reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 02:05 PM by Terapin
reply to post by silo13
Please google it as you obviously wont believe what ever I say. Try watching what Kelly Preston said in her own words while on the Montel Williams show. Kelly spoke at length and through a number of other television shows and news outlets and it is not at all hard to find. She went on a well publicized crusade for quite some time and you should have no trouble finding out quite a bit. Or try what John Travolta said while on Larry king PRIOR to Jetts tragic death. John has made several public statements in a variety of venues regarding Jett and his affliction. There is plenty of credible information out there and I Neverr cite supermarket tabloids. Seek and ye shal find.
If a child has Autism, then he should be treated for it. It is simple as that. If you deny the very existence of Autism in anybody, and insist that your childs health problems are only due to environmental contaminants, despite several professional diagnoses of Jetts Autism then you do your child no good. Cleaning your carpets will never cure Autism. The Cult of Scientology has had in the past, and is currently undergoing, a lawsuit for the illegal practice of medicine. That is the issue..... Failure to provide proper medical care.
And for the record and everyones informational benefit, there is no evidence YET of a seizure, The report simply states that he fell, hit his head and was found very shortly afterwards, bleeding from a head wound and unconscious.
Please google it as you obviously wont believe what ever I say. Try watching what Kelly Preston said in her own words while on the Montel Williams show. Kelly spoke at length and through a number of other television shows and news outlets and it is not at all hard to find. She went on a well publicized crusade for quite some time and you should have no trouble finding out quite a bit. Or try what John Travolta said while on Larry king PRIOR to Jetts tragic death. John has made several public statements in a variety of venues regarding Jett and his affliction. There is plenty of credible information out there and I Neverr cite supermarket tabloids. Seek and ye shal find.
If a child has Autism, then he should be treated for it. It is simple as that. If you deny the very existence of Autism in anybody, and insist that your childs health problems are only due to environmental contaminants, despite several professional diagnoses of Jetts Autism then you do your child no good. Cleaning your carpets will never cure Autism. The Cult of Scientology has had in the past, and is currently undergoing, a lawsuit for the illegal practice of medicine. That is the issue..... Failure to provide proper medical care.
And for the record and everyones informational benefit, there is no evidence YET of a seizure, The report simply states that he fell, hit his head and was found very shortly afterwards, bleeding from a head wound and unconscious.
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