Ambulance men arrested for 'ignoring dying man'

Ambulance men arrested for 'ignoring dying man'

www.telegraph.co.uk...

"Apparently their first reaction was to comment on the untidy and unkempt state of the house. Then they are heard to comment on seeing Mr Baker and allegedly saying that it was not worth bothering to try to carry out resuscitation to try to save him. They then are heard discussing what to tell ambulance control and allegedly decide to say that he was already dead.

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Well, I guess if someone's house is messy you don't have to save them if they are dying then? Good to know. So if these guys have kids that like to make a mess and they cal 999, then I guess their llow EMT's don't have to help them.

Society sickens me sometimes.
Course at least the guys were arrested for it. They were only suspended, but hey it's a start. maybe they will acually serve time for their crime. Not sure how they treat these cases over in England, any of our neighbors across the pond care to chime in with knowledge of legal proceedings over there?

www.telegraph.co.uk...
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 1/3/2009 by Finn1916]

When I was training to be an EMT we were taught that a lost cause is a lost cause. Specifically our instructor said if we were ever at a structure fire and we see a victim with almost liquid skin stumbling in a confused state just sit him down and give him a blanket because he'll be dead in minutes.

If there are no other victims I guess you could make a show of saving an obviously lost life but if your services are better used on those who would survive it's time to accept reality and move on.

This article is over 48 hours old which is against ATS rules now

and should'nt be in breaking news forum

i remember seeing it about a week or so ago in television

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Well i think this is an unusual case,ambulance service men and woman have to deal with ALOT of crap.Especailly in the uk's binge drink culture today,they get called all the time for trivial matters,people drunk falling over..drunken fights..you name it.This doesnt seem to be the case though and i think its right they were dealt with,but ive got alot of respect for these people.A friday or Saturday night in practically any uk city or town is full of people absolutely bladdered.And these people have to deal with it...anyway good it was sorted out but i wouldnt judge the whole ambulance service on this incident at all.

reply to post by Finn1916

maybe they will actually serve time for their crime.

I don’t know how they could get off with just a suspension.
I read another article about this and it said the Emergency Service Dispatch has the whole conversation recorded.

From disparaging remarks when they entered the mans home down to it *wasn’t worth* saving him - based on the conditions of his home, not his medical condition.

They’re going to be convicted by their own voices, and I hope the law convicts them to the fullest.

*P*E*A*C*E*

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
When I was training to be an EMT we were taught that a lost cause is a lost cause. Specifically our instructor said if we were ever at a structure fire and we see a victim with almost liquid skin stumbling in a confused state just sit him down and give him a blanket because he'll be dead in minutes.

If there are no other victims I guess you could make a show of saving an obviously lost life but if your services are better used on those who would survive it's time to accept reality and move on.

Who was your EMT instructor? I was a paramedic for 10 years and I taught paramedicine for 2. Yes, there is a triage system, but "letting people die" is not in the job description. Making a decision NOT to resuscitate is a very rare decision for an EMS crew.

It happens all the time. Why do you think there are MRSA outbreaks in hospitals in old people wards. When there is a build up of too many patients a nurse or doctor takes it into their minds to do a spot of thinning out.

news.bbc.co.uk...

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.telegraph.co.uk...

www.independent.co.uk...

Also organised stalking networks extend into the NHS, and members of these groups largely consisting of zionists, BNP, security services, fringe cults and so on will instruct that individual patients that are their targets be infected or terminated while seeking help in hospitals.

If you have a large enough group of extremists, you will have the resources to hurt people you don't like. The authorities know about this and are too scared to act. You usually get these forms of activities in civilizations in terminal decline. The Romans and Nazi Germany had organised stalking groups. More recently the former East Germany had these tactics employed against dissidents and undesirables with the favoured killing grounds in the psychiatric hospitals.

The two ambulance workers may have been genuinely incompetent and lazy or they could have been accustomed to a system that dispatches patients who may be or may not be on target lists.

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Ok scratch my last statement.

The unnamed ambulance staff were arrested after the tape was handed to the Sussex Police Major Crime Team.

These guys were criminally negligent.
Go read the full article.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by BorgHoffen]

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
When I was training to be an EMT we were taught that a lost cause is a lost cause. Specifically our instructor said if we were ever at a structure fire and we see a victim with almost liquid skin stumbling in a confused state just sit him down and give him a blanket because he'll be dead in minutes.

If there are no other victims I guess you could make a show of saving an obviously lost life but if your services are better used on those who would survive it's time to accept reality and move on.

what the hell are you talking about?,the man was still alive and anyone should have done whatever they can to give him a chance of survival.
this guy was by no means a lost cause,there are countless examples of folks surviving when it assumed they cannot!

if it were you or one of your loved ones you would be desperate for any help.

once again we the see medical health profession acting negligentl,an all to familiar theme nowadays,spreading like wildfire.



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[edit on 3-1-2009 by welivefortheson]

Originally posted by masonwatcher
It happens all the time. Why do you think there are MRSA outbreaks in hospitals in old people wards. When there is a build up of too many patients a nurse or doctor takes it into their minds to do a spot of thinning.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Also organised stalking networks extend into the NHS, and members of these groups largely consisting of zionists, BNP, security services, fringe cults and so on will instruct that individual patients that are their targets be infected or terminated while seeking help in hospitals.

If you have a large enough group of extremists, you will have the resources to hurt people you don't like. The authorities know about this and are too scared to act. You usually get these forms of activities in civilizations in terminal decline. The Romans and Nazi Germany had organised stalking groups. More recently the former East Germany had these tactics employed against dissidents and undesirables with the favoured killing grounds in the psychiatric hospitals.

The two ambulance workers may have been genuinely incompetent and lazy or they could have been accustomed to a system that dispatches patients who may be or may not be on target lists.

aha im glad some one else has noticed,the medical health service has become the killing ground for them,by the way there future artificial intellence,not nazis or zionists,there grays disguised as humans and know this for fact as not only havei seen one entering someones body buthave spoken to numerous people whom have been taken over by a gray inside them!

the nhs is largely thiers,and i am going to liberate it,its there for the taking,rock the world.

also given that the main agenda of the future ais is depopulation,one should look into forced and unortharised sterilastions,i read an article the other week of a doctor in ireland who perfomed over a THOUSAND illegal and unconsentual hysterectomies of women!?,after about a decade of doing it he was finaly fired,not prosecuted mind,despite mangling the insides of women,he got away scott free,madness!
its pretty damn obvious isnt it?


[edit on 3-1-2009 by welivefortheson]

reply to post by traderjack


He was a retired cop who became a paramedic and then went on to instruct.

Maybe he was just especially jaded or something.

I dont know this case and I dont pretend to know it. I just know what I was taught.

If some dude gets plowed over by a semi and his ribs are spread wide open I dont see him getting bagged anytime soon.

BTW, I didnt go on to work as an EMT. I got a better paying far less stressful job that doesnt have me giving drunks rides day after day. More power to youfor putting up with that crap.

As a side note. I expect as more healthcare is socialized and the more bankrupt the government that foot the bill get the more of these cases we'll see. At some point the cost has to be taken into consideration and like it or not humans arent especially rare or valuable.

also the medical health profession has the highest rate of mortalilty,mental ilness and suicide of all the words professions,this is a heavy indicator it is a prime target for future ai,they kill the humans and replace them with thier own faux humans who go on to depopulate us where its most effective,in the services which are there to keep us alive.
the number of medical professionals killed by mind control victims is madness,happens all the time,by mind control i mean people like those who killed lennon or bobbykennedy,siran siran,clearly brainwashed into doing it.

now why are people being brainwashed into killing medical health professionals????,cos its a vital cog in the plans to depopulate us,they must control it to cover up thier depopulation strategems such as mind control and nanotechnology that causes many of our ailements.
mind control is also caused by nanotechnology,an ofshoot ofwhich is morgellons disease.

Couple of thoughts.

1) There is such thing as medical futility. Exposed brain matter etc etc. Most front line providers that are required to have Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS) or The Pediatric version (PALS) have a module that talks about this (I have both BTW)

BUT This based on what I read did NOT fit the criteria for this. Failing to treat the man while on duty should be a criminal offence IMHO. To further drive home the point how stupid these clowns were they talked about it over a recorded COM line :shk:

2) Healthcare workers are targeted in increasing rates by angry families and the like even if they were not at fault

3) If an MD or nurse took it upon themselves to be the 'Angel of Death" there are far better ways than spreading MRSA around IMHO. More likely the MRSA infections are being spread accidentaly by overworked, underpaid heath care professionals.

hes an enlihtening article describing the misinformation surrounding hystertectomies
hysterectomyinformation.blogspot.com...

This is a frightening trend in hospital websites all over the country. Hospitals and doctors point their patients to some other source of hysterectomy misinformation (such as the Patient Education Institute’s product X-Plain, obgyn.net, or acog.org), thereby washing their hands of accountability for omitting the requisite information for hysterectomy informed consent on their own websites. The stated purpose of these sites is to provide information to women who’ve been told they need the surgery, but they don’t inform them of the consequences that women need to know. Instead of providing correct information, they potentially put women into harm’s way.

its pretty damn obvious the future ais (ssi,solid state intelligences) have taken over the medical orgnansations to depopulate us.
wake up and get behind me,ive got them on the run!,just like dave!!
uk.youtube.com...

[edit on 3-1-2009 by welivefortheson]

here ya go,about that doctor i mentioned randomly sterilsing women for no reason!

www.breakingnews.ie...

The UK-based specialists said the sheer number of unnecessary operations performed by a single surgeon indicates a major underlying issue. They said the most common unnecessary procedure was the removal of one or both ovaries - which the authors describe as female castration. A number women suffering endometriosis were also coerced into having their ovaries (and sometimes their uterus) removed, the report said, while on other occasions Dr Neary removed one or both ovaries for benign disease such as simple cysts that required only limited surgery. The experts said they were repeatedly told by these women that Dr Neary told them post-operatively that he had saved their lives.

A matron first expressed concerns over the numbers of Caesarean hysterectomies carried out by Dr Neary in 1978/79, but they were ignored. No one else raised any issues until October 1998 when two midwives who were consulting the Health Board Solicitor on an unrelated matter sought his advice on serious concerns which one of the midwives had about Dr Neary's practices, and he was eventually suspended.

i wonder if this is a trend across the world, ile look into it and if so it deserves its own post.
given the sterilisation misinformation link i posted in the previous post suspect it is.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by welivefortheson]

reply to post by FredT


Actually they were overheard over the patients phone. The operator stayed on the phone line when the chap collapsed.

As for the MRSA, nurses and doctors in the NHS draw pharmaceuticals from a manned bin with the items recorded by the head nurse or the staffer on duty. I suppose drugs could be smuggled in but using infected or old bandages will do and allows for culpable deniability.

While I do not know the tactics of organised stalkers and how tooled up they are prepared to get, I surmise that there is a casual aspect to their actions. They will often only go as far as their own morals will allow them which may entail smudging a bit of dirt on an open wound but not injecting poisons. That kind of limited act can be rationalised away and forgotten but not the injecting.

Basically the target is subject to small acts of abuse, sabotage and ill treatment by a groups of people. While each individual act is minor, the cumulative effect is devastating. It also allows for secrecy to be maintained since who would be crippled by guilt over minor acts of abuse if one has that tendency to begin with or has been told the target is a very bad person?

In my experience I have had vaguely familiar people and strangers come up to me in my work and point at another and say the individual is a paedophile or a prostitute. A natural reaction would be then for me to treat the individual badly even though I am not in an organised stalking group. But members of rogue vigilante and stalking groups will do something about it. Another term is community based harassment campaigns.

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