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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:58 AM by justamomma
Originally posted by Wertdagf We now have preachers that say "i prayed and i was healed" or "i prayed for this person and they were healed" and if you werent healed then god didnt find it to be in his will......

isnt that a wall to understanding and knowledge. EVERY religion is guilty of this. Their rituals that contain no logic, only superstition.

its this hiding and this lack of aplication of logic and causality to these events that makes them more and more powerfull.

Edit: if paul were here i would say the same things... he would go through the ringer just like this.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by Wertdagf]


I am not at all opposed to being through the ringer and there are many threads in which I have gone through such. This, AGAIN, is strictly to show how Paul's god can not be supported through the Hebrew text.


"isnt that a wall to understanding and knowledge. EVERY religion is guilty of this. Their rituals that contain no logic, only superstition."

There is much beauty in what you have said here. It shows you do not lack emotion.

I have not asked you to believe anything. I have not asked you to go through any rituals. I don't comply (yet) to the rituals of Judaism. It is now officially the "sabbath" and yet, I will be running errands and such in the morning. I can't tell you how to believe in G.d or what to believe. That is strictly a matter up to you to come to grips with.

Your need for me to prove my knowledge of G.d is your need; not mine. It is what you lack. I don't lack it, but I can't give it to you either. I wish I could, but I know that no matter what I say, it will not convince you. I know, because nothing ANY ONE else said could convince me.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by justamomma]


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 02:31 AM by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by justamomma



I see you are only referring to those writings that are in the bible and Not including the Thousands of other Christian writings that are Not included in the Roman collection of Greek and Hebrew writings, referred to as the bible today.

In the original writings the word church was never used instead the writings referred to the assemblies of Lights.

The bible is a Political ploy to rid the world of the teachings of the Christ.

Many of the writings have been bastardised by Roman Doctrine that all denominations of human churches today have come out of.

Essentially they all follow Roman indoctrination though they would deny this.

The Original writings were Not about Human primates but about Man which 9is the Name given to the Soul and Not the Flesh as A'Dam was.

Jesus said in the Gospel of Thomas....

Quote

39. Jesus said,

"The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken The Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden Them.

They themselves have Not entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.

You, however,
be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."


This has everything to do with your argument as it was The Scribes that put the bible together under The Roman Government.

The Roman Church is historically part of The Roman Government.

So your whole argument is based on the Humanisation of the writings that have been Bastardised by the Scribes and scholars of today.

The writings were in Parable form and had nothing at all to do with the flesh as Jesus said...

56. Jesus said,

"Whoever has come
to understand the world
has found
only a corpse,

and whoever
has found
a corpse
is superior
to the world."


If you really want to know the truth, then may I suggest you start studying the Original Greek text, before they we bastardised by the Roman church.

Notice there is absolutely no reference at all to the Roman church or any other denominations in the bible.

If you don't want to do this, then compare bibles with each other in detail, from many different denominations, and you will be shocked in the subtle differences between them.

Incidentally the "Word" God is a Geometric algorithm.

You can find this, if you go back into the Original Zionic Written Language.

There is another Geometric Algorithm too which cant be uttered because of the Letters....

The Letters are INZ superimposed on each other that used to be on the front cover of many of the early Roman bibles...

This was the first Algorithm that The True Mind Created and the Roman church referred to it as The Word...

When you discover this you will understand that the arguments around religion is pointless because the knowledge today has been completely misrepresented by the churches and public.

In saying all this I still am more aware of the origins of the Earth and what has Created all things.

Read an interesting Christian writing called....

The Thunder Perfect mind.

This Writing is reported to have been written in the time of Jesus Christ, and is repeated to be the words of Jesus Christ portraying Himself as He truly is....

I will still watch your thread with interest though, and see how it goes...

Oh by the way I am not into new age religion at all...LOL..Sorry..

[edit on 3-1-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 03:00 AM by justamomma
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller




Not sure if you think I was saying you were into New Age or if you just threw that in for clarification. Either way, it seems to me as though you would fall under the gnostic teachings. Which, IMHO, is better than worshiping a man as god... though, my belief differs in that I can see that we are obviously not G.d (though some are OF G.d) and I don't believe we, on our own will ever be G.d... this includes Jesus.

I don't subscribe to the greek texts as they were littered with paganism, thus, my discontent with the christian religion in which I was raised. NOW, don't take that as I disregard everything in them, because I do not. I think there is much truth in realizing that one will find G.d when He is ready to be found. I DID NOT find G.d in the Hebrew texts.. I merely recognized Him there after He allowed me to find Him.

I agree with some of the things that Jesus said, though I don't subscribe to his being a god in the flesh. I think he was definitely enlightened, but I think that there was manipulation that was applied to what we now consider the New Testament as to who he was and his role (or what his role COULD HAVE been).

There will never be ONE person that can save this world and the people here in it. There has not been, nor will there ever be. In that regard, I think it is time for people to start looking on an individual basis as to what they can do in their own life to change *their* world. G.d is NOT an explainable entity although He is always here. It is up to us to understand Him through the right "eyes" and "heart" and not to look for false hopes such as god men to save us. It is up to us and that was always the point.



[edit on 3-1-2009 by justamomma]


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 03:18 AM by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by justamomma



I would have to agree with you on 95% of what you have said.

You have only repeated my own words but in a different way.

Humankind today does Not understand the original "Word" G O D
as it was understood 5,000 years ago or so..

Over the Last 2,000 years Religion has been part of Government and the manipulation of people.





The original teachings involved Conceptual Geometry.....

I am Not, I repeat Not into Sacred Geometry so called, but Geometry is behind the All and the Consciousness of All.

But there is in Fact a Soul but Not in the way people think today...

It is very easy to make up a simple device to see The Soul and the Geometric workings in it...

It is very easy to study this Phenomena and come to understand the Geometric language.



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