Originally posted by John Matrix
This site provides some insight:
You won't understand how Jesus could be the sacrificial atonement for the sins of the world(only when he is accepted and believed i might add) until
the veil is lifted which God has placed over your heart and mind. One must repent and receive the forgiveness of sins. All have that opportunity
because Christ dies for all.
[edit on 9-1-2009 by John Matrix]
He is making it sound as though the laws of the covenant between G.d and Israel were also to be kept by those not in the covenant. This is false and
no one is expected to keep these Laws except those who take part of that SPECIFIC covenant. He is putting false guilt on to people.
First, when G.d flooded the world because of man’s wickedness, He made a covenant with man and this was it:
Genesis 9:
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of
all flesh that is upon the earth.
17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
That was the covenant between G.d and mankind as a whole. Our stipulations were laid out very simply and many call them the Noahide laws… but
seriously, can’t we just call them common sense?
The covenant that soooo many find soooo hard to keep is not a covenant between YOU and G.d. It is a covenant between Israel and G.d FOR THE purpose of
maintaining the covenant between G.d and mankind.
So, why the author of this site is trying to make people believe that they were supposed to keep the Laws of the covenant between G.d and Israel is
beyond me other than to lead them to believe they are not good enough and must believe Jesus is their sacrifice (when sacrifices had nothing to do
with anyone OUTSIDE the covenant that was between G.d and Israel) for their horrible awful deeds. It is complete manipulation that churches are
benefiting off.
People use Jesus for the purposes of pride, money, control, or just plain ignorance. Put guilt on people and you can take advantage.
Here in this quoted part, we see the man blatantly lies or is EXTREMELY ignorant. I can use Scripture to prove what he can not. This is the danger
with trusting someone rather than searching it for yourself.
Further, the priests also had other required offerings to cover the ENTIRE congregation that were made on a yearly basis. Have you ever heard
the term "scape goat"? The phrase was coined due to the Jewish sacrifical system were all the sins were "transferred" to the goat along with other
sacrifices to cover their sins. So blood was still spilt to cover the sins of all Jews.
All of these requirements can be found in Leviticus in the Old Testament.
Again, by the standards of the Old Testament, sacrifice was only part of the program. Old Testament believers were required to follow the rest of the
Law. The sacrifices were part of the law, but so was "right living" which Ezekial was addressing in the aforementioned chapter.
This is a lie. I have shown you… unlike this person, that the scape goat WAS NOT killed. There was never *any* sacrifice of blood to cover the sins
of all the Jewish people. The author is falsely misleading you.
So, already, I can prove this person is a liar or is grossly ignorant of the Torah. I will assume the latter.
Here is what the TRUTH is about the scape goat.
Lev 16:20-22
And when he(Aaron) hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live
goat:
And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their
transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
The Lev 16:30-34 instructions conclude with:
For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the
atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments:
And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and
he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation.
And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the
LORD commanded Moses.
Of course, one has to wonder why the author of that site wouldn’t cite the verses unless he was regurgitating what he heard or he knew the truth
contradicted the lie he has posted on that site. He makes others believe that they under condemnation for not complying to commands that had NOTHING
TO DO WITH THEM and were NEVER REQUIRED of man (other than Israel) and then gives false information about one of the commandments showing he does not
know what he is talking about.
Should I go on?? Because I can. Will wait for the word from you. YOu are free to prove me wrong of course, you know.
Edited to add concerning above post: I *meant* that the agenda you are accusing me of is false. Now, are you going to keep acting like a child or are
you going to stay on topic?
[edit on 9-1-2009 by justamomma]
[edit on 9-1-2009 by justamomma]
