Originally posted by Johnny
The most powerful nations in the war were:
You forgot about 2 nations - Germans and Japanese. They were on the opposite side, but that doesn't change the fact that they were among the most
powerful nations in the war. They were more powerful than the English and the Polish.
A Scot would spit you in the face. So would an Irish. There’s
I haven't seen anyone here say that someone is English. But I have seen some people say that someone is British.
A very important part of this tradition is connected with polish military
No. (that's what I'm talking about - I mean, you can connect your tradition to your military, but I'm talking about how were you militarily in the
which had it’s time of glory at the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the country was (as I think) a military power.
I wouldn't say so. That is because you had your "times of glory" before the commonwealth was established. You won the last three wars with the
Teutonic Knights and war with Halich Russia before the commonwealth was established. (The commonwealth was established in 1569).
You may say that there were more powerful countries but we were in the top 5 and were respected.
I woulnd't say you were in the top 5.
I would say that the top 5 were France, imperial England, Prussia, Russia, the Habsburgs empire and Sweden. I can tell you why if you want.
After the wars with Sweden and Turkey, our times of glory have ended.
How can you claim that the 17th century was glorious for you? You lost one war with Russia, tied another, lost one war with Sweden (despite winning
the fighting), tied another, and won two wars with Turkey.
After that, we got partitioned by four empires.
Three, not four. Also, Prussia was not an empire. It was a military power, but not an empire.
The country disappeared but the nation resisted their oppressors, not allowing them to destroy their culture and tradition.
There was a russification and germanisation, and you have resisted a little, but you failed. For example, under Prussian rule, you had to obey the
Prussian authorities and speak German in offices. I am not saying your culture was destroyed, but it was hit.
And, your culture was not destroyed. So what? You were completely run by the three partition powers.
It became a noble tradition to fight even impossible odds.
What's noble about fighting against odds (unless you win)?
Everyone loses sometime.
But you lost many wars.
In 1939 we were attacked by two great military powers: the Nazi Germany and USSR. We were attacked by surprise (and that’s a fact, so do historians
No, you were not surprised and historians say that you were not surprised. In the book I mentioned before, it says that already your Marshall
Pilsudski expected an agression of both countries.
Though very weak, we resisted the oppressors.
You were fighting, but you lost. Stop trying to make your loss noble. A loss is a loss, and it is always a shame. I am not trying to make Germany's
loss in WWI noble.
We had fewer men and outdated equipment but we lasted a month. It is not a short period of time.
It is a short period of time, especially to take over a country as big as your country was in 1939.
It took the Nazis the same time to overtake France
Which is a short period of time.
(and you state that French were more powerful than us).
I said that the French were more powerful than you by the end of the war.
Without us, the Allies would win, yes. But it would cost many more lives. We were a significant side in the war.
No. The Allies would have won without you as easily as they did with you. For example, they could have just waited until they constructed a
nuclear bomb and then drop nuclear bombs on Germany.
In a conventional war, the Allies wouldn't lose much more men, either. You didn't kill many German soldiers during the Italian campaign (because
there weren't many German soldiers in Italy at all). And the Allies had much bigger population than the Axis (don't forget about the US, USSR,
Australia and all British overseas possessions).
We haven’t regained full freedom (but our country didn’t become a part of the USSR).
You did regain your freedom from the Nazis (thanks to the USSR), but you lost it to the USSR. In other words, you didn't regain your freedom, you
lost it to someone else. Until 1990, you were completely run by the USSR, and your commie authorities obeyed the USSR.
you don’t have enough knowledge to state comments that insult a nation.
I'm not insulting anyone. I am saying that I think that because you have lost so many wars, you cannot claim to have a great military tradition.
Let's say that you don't have a bad military tradition. But I think that you also don't have a great military tradition.
[edit on 8-8-2005 by AtheiX]