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Debunking the 'Fake Jew' AKA The 'Khazarian Jew' Myth.


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reply posted on 14-8-2009 @ 05:29 PM by ATSWATCHER


Originally posted by helen670
Originally posted by Rumpelstiltskin
Is it assumed here that there is no debate over whether DNA can determine race? (Google: “DNA can (or cannot) determine race”)

Setting aside whether Ashkenazi Jews are genuinely Semitic or not, I wonder why the term “anti-Semitic” refers to discrimination against Jews only.

Are Palestinians not also Semitic?

What should discrimination against Palestinians be called? Pro-Semitism?



Hi Rumple/
Exactly!
Anti-semetic should be non discriminatory!
I read that Palastenians are also of Semetic blood?

ICXC NIKA
helen
As a Orthodox Christian myself, I have spent a long time reading the writings of the Church and other non-Orthodox historians who's writings don't conflict with Church history, and I can truly say that the phrase, "The road to the truth has many twists and turns" is 100% true.

1. The ONLY way to findout who the "Biological Desendants" of Israel are is to read scripture.

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reply posted on 14-8-2009 @ 11:52 PM by helen670


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Hi ATSWATCHER/

Exactly right you are!
The only problem is that many people look at what others have to say on the topic, without doing their own research, into the topic at hand.
I truthfully must say that reading the Scriptures and trying to find the ancestral line is not my favourite of subject, but I do rely on the early church fathers,Monks and Elders, who all have come to an agreement,on the subject...the truth is not always easy to see with ones eyes closed,(as it was, in my case)but help in seeing it opens one's eyes and makes it all the more, clear to see what was already there!

ICXC NIKA
helen



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reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 12:09 AM by sanchoearlyjones


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The problem I have with your research is that you are openly Evangelical. Every Evangelical, or good bible thumping Christian wants The Holy Mosque at Temple Mount destroyed so that the Holy Temple of David can be rebuilt.

It's no understatement that's a simple death wish for the world as a whole; of course, the good Christians will be raptured up to their little cloud in the sky; while the rest of us burn in h*ll.

I cannot even begin to tell you how dinked the Christian judgemental death cult really is; so I won't.

What is clear, Albert Pyke mysteriously knew, or foretold what we are seeing today, but he told it with a sick twist. It's all deliberate. This means you, all Christians, Muslims, and Jews are complicit.

Absolutely most are to ignorant to know better, but none the less you all are falling into the trap of the NWO. Indeed the "mark" you bare already.

So, you bring up DNA, and this, or that scholar which contradicts another scholar who says the opposite??? To do what?? To justify the powder keg? To feed it, and make it bigger by alluding that this DNA is better, or less than another???

What your doing is changing a Zionist issue into an issue of blood. Let me tell you when the legacy of Albert Pike, and company come to fruition by the NWO/Illuminati, They are an equal opportunity discriminator.

When their plans come to pass, as they are moving along nicely, Jews, Christians, and Muslims will all die. At the level of the Elite we are all scum floating on their pond.





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reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 12:10 AM by skycopilot


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Hate to dissapoint you, but in the book of Acts, it was at Antioch where believers in Jesus were first called "Christians" A.D. 41. This was 55 years before Revelation was written. At the beginning (up to Claudius) the Romans were confused as to Christians being a sect of Judaism. But by the time John was on Patmos, that was cleared up.

I believe what Jesus was saying was the same thing I have observed in churches, namely, not everyone who says they are a Christian really is one - and the same is true spiritually speaking (belief AND practice - wise) of every religion.



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reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 12:37 AM by helen670


Originally posted by skycopilot
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Hate to dissapoint you, but in the book of Acts, it was at Antioch where believers in Jesus were first called "Christians" A.D. 41. This was 55 years before Revelation was written. At the beginning (up to Claudius) the Romans were confused as to Christians being a sect of Judaism. But by the time John was on Patmos, that was cleared up.

I believe what Jesus was saying was the same thing I have observed in churches, namely, not everyone who says they are a Christian really is one - and the same is true spiritually speaking (belief AND practice - wise) of every religion.


Hi sky/

Evangelicals make the mistake that all will be heavenly when Solomans Temple will be built...are they in for a surprise of their life!
No-where does it state that Heaven will be on earth.
Jesus Christ said...not all that confess in ''My name'' will be saved!
So, if His words are true...many Christians being full of Pride that all their sins are forgiven because of the Crucifixion,will be left wondering what went wrong!
"In our age of apostasy preceding the manifestation of Antichrist, the devil has been loosed for a time (Apoc. 20:7),..to gather in his hellish harvest of those souls who 'received not the love of the truth' (II Thes. 2:10).

ICXC NIKA
helen



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reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 01:01 AM by sanchoearlyjones


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Okay, you mentioned, or touched upon the topic. There is a connection between Evangelical/Zionist Christians to Zionism support; because they seek to purposely cause the end for rapture.

What is your take?



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reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 01:20 AM by helen670


Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
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Okay, you mentioned, or touched upon the topic. There is a connection between Evangelical/Zionist Christians to Zionism support; because they seek to purposely cause the end for rapture.

What is your take?




Hi san/

My take on the Rapture?
There is not going to be a rapture of believers or unbelievers!
If God is going to play fair with all of mankind, then when that time comes, we all shall have a choice as to who we are going to follow!
Do we look for an earthly King who will take care of wordly needs, or do we look at saving our Souls?
If REVELATION speaks of the future to come, and Scripture of the New Testament speaks of the SOUL and not of the body, then what do we choose?
Isn't it a simple question to ask about the end of times?
Jesus Christ came to DESTROY-BODILY death...
oH DEATH, WHERE IS THY STING,WHERE IS THEY VICTORY?
This was done by Christ.
Second death will be both of Body and Soul.

ZIONISM as it is known today is not SCRIPTURE based.
It is downright of evil intentions made up of many broken sects, who only give it a different NAME to purposely confuse and deceive many that do not hear what is being said.
I mean, what better way to deceive many in a false PEACE, made up of different religious denominations....who all want PEACE?
This will be a catastrophic event because many will believe in the LIE!

The Rapture.... why would God SELECT a few to be taken away and the others to be left behind?
Where is the logic in that?

ICXC NIKA
helen



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reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 01:33 AM by Donnie Darko


I totally agree with this. Not all Jews have Israeli blood, but the way the religion is set up makes it so that the majority of people of the Jewish faith, and people who don't believe but are counted on basis of heritage are at least partially Israeli (or at the very least, some kind of Middle Eastern) genetically.

Even if the Ashkenazi WERE mostly of Khazarian origin (and they are not - they are mostly Israeli, German, Mediterranean, and Slavic genetically), they would still be "real Jews".

As for Israel, I support the existence of a homeland for them, but I do not support their mission or their treatment of the Palestinian people.



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reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 04:16 PM by ATSWATCHER


As I was stating I've spent years researching which Christianty is correct and, for me its Orthodox Christianty, (I Don't mean to offend anyone) but based upon my research which consisted of reading the (Hebrew, Greek "Sepuagint" 1611 King James, 1630 King James), the "Ashkanzi, and Sephardic Jews" are not the biological desendants of the Children of Israel.



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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 12:44 AM by Spiritfilled


why does it matter if the jews have pure or mixed dna? the truth is, physical genetics never mattered to God. God accepted people of different races than jew even in the Old testament, and especially now that we are under the new covanent which has "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." galatians 3:28.

so what matters is are you part of the Israel of God? this new israel is made up of every race on the face of the earth. the jews are NOT specially chosen of God. they were back in the old covanent, but now things have changed. most of isreal is pharasees and atheist anyways.



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reply posted on 3-9-2009 @ 01:23 PM by ATSWATCHER


Originally posted by Spiritfilled
why does it matter if the jews have pure or mixed dna? the truth is, physical genetics never mattered to God. God accepted people of different races than jew even in the Old testament, and especially now that we are under the new covanent which has "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." galatians 3:28.

so what matters is are you part of the Israel of God? this new israel is made up of every race on the face of the earth. the jews are NOT specially chosen of God. they were back in the old covanent, but now things have changed. most of isreal is pharasees and atheist anyways.
That can't be true based even on the "NEW COVONENT" Scripture.



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reply posted on 3-9-2009 @ 11:01 PM by helen670


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Hi Spirit filled/



so what matters is are you part of the Israel of God? this new israel is made up of every race on the face of the earth. the jews are NOT specially chosen of God. they were back in the old covanent, but now things have changed. most of isreal is pharasees and atheist anyways.



Correct you are!
All those that did hear the words of the Prophets saw that Jesus was the Christ!
And the same could be said for all that claim to be Christian but are not!

EDIT to add....Remember that 'Israel' was a name given to a man and later became descendants from Israel...

ICXC NIKA
helen



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reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 09:21 PM by A-Pac


I have heard this myth. It is too bad the Jews have to live in a world with all this hatred going on.



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reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 09:21 PM by A-Pac


I have heard this myth. It is too bad the Jews have to live in a world with all this hatred going on.



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