reply to post by AshleyD
from the original thread starter:
Debunking the 'Fake Jew' AKA The 'Khazarian Jew' Myth.
Current events dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have created a significant increase in ATS threads discussing various aspects of the
long-running issue. Due to this, possibly a dozen times in the last two days alone I've noticed accusations that today's Jews (American, European,
and Israeli) are not 'real Jews' but are instead descendants of Khazarian Jewish converts. . This claim is typically offered as a reason why Jews
currently inhabiting the state of Israel have no legitimate ancestral claim to the land. My intent with this thread is to debunk such an
A Very Brief History
After suffering persecution in Persia, Byzantium, and various Islamic nations, many Jews fled to Khazaria (1, 2) for safety. The Khazars and Jews
enjoyed a diplomatic relationship and eventually Khazarian nobility converted to Judaism around the 8th-9th century A.D. Some historians believe their
subjects later converted to Judaism as well, although the extent of conversion is debated and evidence exists to verify a range of figures. Kharzars
held a diverse range of religions including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism, and various pagan beliefs. Although evidence certainly
points to some Khazars holding Jewish beliefs, they were not all converts to Judaism.
you are wrapping two thread concepts into one debate...
the Khazars who have adopted the Jewish religion can, if they wish, wear the 'Jewish' mantle...
the former Ashkenazi are different, and unique from the Ancestral 'Jews' Jews who have a heritage as one of the 12 tribes of historic
(see my post citing www.jewish genetics center.org, which spells out the genetic differences and gulf between the ancient Hebrews/Israelites and the
the former peoples of the Ashkenazi empire cannot be included in the
12 Tribes of Israel lineage.... they can however be called Jewish 'brothers or brethern' in any political, social, religious sense...
in response to your sentence;
"This claim is typically offered as a reason why 'Jews' currently inhabiting
the state of Israel have no legitimate ancestrial claim to the land."
i'd call the situation, counterfeit.
i believe your trying to bring in the 'spiritualism' meaning, which counts gentiles converted to Christianity as the spiritual 'Church'...
with the promise to regather the 12 Tribes of Israel for the Millinium Kingdom ruling from a new Jerusalem.
Two different sets of criteria...
the euphamistimic word 'Root
' is code-word for 'DNA', in bible speak... i.e. the Ashkenazi are not from the Root of Jessee or David or
anyone else in the 12 Tribes of Israel, including the Tribe of Judah...
all in all, i see a manipulative hand in this deliberately clouded issue.
with some arguing the wrong points
[edit on 3-1-2009 by St Udio]