Debunking the 'Fake Jew' AKA The 'Khazarian Jew' Myth.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
the essence of being Jewish is upholding the Jewish Laws,

Upholding them or being part of the Jewish faith in some way. Not everyone is at the same level of commitment to faith as others. There are Muslims who insist that women have to be covered from head to toe in order to be good muslims, whereas there are other muslims who have no problem with women being in beauty contests - yet both types are still Muslims. There are Catholics who pray their rosaries every day and go to confession every week and then there are Catholics who go to church only on Christmas and Easter - yet both types are still Catholic.

It isn't a question of where they came from in the world

Apparently for some people, it is. I'm pretty sure that's part of the reason for this thread ... that there are some out there who think that those who live in Israel aren't 'really Jewish' because the blood lines have been tainted. So those Jews don't deserve to be in Israel because they aren't 'real jews'. Case in point ... the pictures posted here of Netanyahu and darker skinned/haired people living in Israel. You know that's the underlying intent of posting that.

the majority of Jews today do not even consider living by the Torah. They are money hungry and like to murder innocent people and think this is enough to justify their belief.

WOW ... 14 million Jews in the world ... and the majority of them are murdering innocent people? Yeah .. okay ... hate much?

a reply to: FlyersFan

No, the idea of the photo was to determine whether Zionists and modern day Jews are Semites or not. This does have implications because a non-semite cannot rule the state of Israel at any time. From research, the Zionists are not Semites and most of the Jewish community today aren't either, they are converts with no lineage to Israel or the line of Shem. If the khazar story is correct they are actually considered Gentiles.

a reply to: Danbones

Being 'God's Chosen People' is a catch phrase that the Hebrews told themselves. Anyone can claim to be 'god's favorite', but that doesn't mean it's true. And considering how much the Jews suffered during WWII, and considering how much they are still under attack today ... I'm not so sure that they are the 'chosen'. If that's what it means to be 'chosen' .. then no thanks.

As for the 'Palestinians' ... they aren't genetically pure either. Most of their recent ancestors came from other countries. Heck ... Arafat was Egyptian. Tons came from Jordan and Syria. Finding a 'Palestinian' who can trace his/her ancestors to the local area would be a hard task to complete.

Some comments about who the Palestinians are

In 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission: "There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us."
In 1946, Princeton's Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: "It's common knowledge, there is no such thing as Palestine in history."

In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization ("P.L.O."), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw: "The 'Palestinian people' does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the State of Yisraél."

Mark Twain (real name Samuel Langhorne Clemens, the famous author of "Tom Sawyer" and its sequel "Huckleberry Finn") toured Eretz Yisraél in 1867. This is how he described it: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

In 1874, Reverend Samuel Manning wrote: "...But where were the inhabitants? This fertile plain, which might support an immense population, is almost a solitude... Day by day we were to learn afresh the lesson now forced upon us, that the denunciations of ancient prophecy have been fulfilled to the very letter: 'the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants'."

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
Its delusional to think migrations and slavery can completely change a regions racial make up.

It's delusional to think migration and slavery doesn't massively change regional racial (DNA) makeup. Migration is the main vehicle in which race and DNA changed in different regions all across the planet.

Genetic Exodus - DNA Tells Global Story of Human Migration

Smithsonian - Skeletons Reveal Genetic History Via Migrations

Archaeology Magazine - Genetic Studies Reveal Population Makeups Via Migrations

Stanford University - Population Genetics

Migration into or out of a population is the fourth and final factor that can affect its genetic composition. Obviously, if immigrants are genetically different from the population they are entering, this will cause the population's genetic composition to be altered.

National Geographic - Genetics Overview
Genetics changed evolutionary forces: natural selection, genetic drift, and migration.

Institute for Advanced Study - Using Genetic Data to Revolutionize Understanding of Migration History

Journal of Extension, University of Oregon - Organizational Evolution

Genetics is at the core of most biological processes. Understanding of genetic systems was greatly enhanced in by Mendel in 1865 (Mendel et al., 1950) and Darwin (1859) whose principles lead to creation of a host of evolutionary sciences. Among these is a mathematical approach called "population genetics" that described creation, movement, and expression of genes in groups of inter-mating organisms (populations).

Hardy and Weinberg developed the main tenet of population genetics in 1908 when they demonstrated that only four processes caused change (evolution) in genetic composition of populations (Falconer & Mackay, 1996). These processes are:

- Mutation: spontaneous creation of new genes,
- Migration: movement of genes into or out of a population,
- Selection: differential reproductive rates among organisms of differing genetic makeup, and
- The effect of inbreeding in small subpopulations.

And best of all ...
Causes and Consequences of Human Migration - an Evolutionary Perspective
Read and learn.

The real semitic Israelites are still in the middle east, except they all converted to Islam.

OMG that was funny.
I guess Muslims will do anything to try to claim the 'Abraham throne'. WOW.

Copy pasting whatever came up after a google search isn't going to help your case. Also, Muslims wholeheartedly accept Israelite prophets and don't feel the need to ''claim'' anybodys throne.

a reply to: FlyersFan

shlomo sand is a meticulously researched jewish historian with DNA evidence
not opinions on his side

originally posted by: DarknStormy
the idea of the photo was to determine whether Zionists and modern day Jews are Semites or not.

Modern day Israel can be run by whoever the people want to have run it.

This is the problem that people who cling to ancient Abrahamic religious law have .... absurdity. What some guy said about politics 4,000 years ago should have no influence on what people do today. It's irrelevant. And those ancient 'laws' are used by bigots today as an excuse to try to destroy a group of people that they don't like. Stupidity.

a reply to: FlyersFan

So if you were to ride out to a desert in the USA, would you expect to see people and agriculture flourishing? Mark Twain was in the desert, of course there aren't going to be people there, it's pretty much inhabitable.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
Copy pasting whatever came up after a google search isn't going to help your case.

You didn't bother reading the rock-solid information that proves you wrong, eh?
No surprise there.

Muslims wholeheartedly accept Israelite prophets and don't feel the need to ''claim'' anybodys throne.

And yet you just said that they all converted to Islam.
yeah ... that's a 'dna grab' attempt if ever there was one.

a reply to: FlyersFan
well that I agree with
and it is a hurdle man kind is going to have to conquer soon
if mankind is to physically survive much longer in this space time continuum

all these fake divisions between folks have got to go
trouble is
bankers make more in a day of war then a day of peace...
so likely we won't be fixing the problem anytime soon

a reply to: DarknStormy
The point is that the land was uninhabited. If you look at the population stats, prior to 1970 there were very few people living there. The modern day 'palestinians' are mostly descended from immigrants from Syria and Jordan and Egypt. So for someone to say that the Palestinians are the 'real jews' ... or whatever ... that's not exactly true.


The fact that people are hung up on all this is absurd.
This is 2014 AD ... not 4,000 BC. People need to emotionally evolve.

self edited .. repeat post

@ flyersfan...
You didn't bother reading the rock-solid information that proves you wrong,

I could just as well run a search on google and copy paste links containing ''rock solid information'' that proves my side of the subject at hand. But I'd rather not stoop to your intellectual standard.

a reply to: FlyersFan

That is bs, the land was inhibited.

Palestine

According to Alexander Scholch, the population of Palestine in 1850 was about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims, 11% were Christians and 4% Jews[60]

According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy,[61] the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of whom 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews.[62] McCarthy estimates the non-Jewish population of Palestine at 452,789 in 1882; 737,389 in 1914; 725,507 in 1922; 880,746 in 1931; and 1,339,763 in 1946.

And it really doesn't matter how many people were there if people were there.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
I could just as well run a search on google and copy paste links containing ''rock solid information'' that proves my side of the subject at hand. But I'd rather not stoop to your intellectual standards.

National Geographic and accredited well established universities speaking about migration patterns effecting DNA and human genetics isn't 'stooping' ... it's proven science (and common sense). Give it a try some time.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DarknStormy
the idea of the photo was to determine whether Zionists and modern day Jews are Semites or not.

Modern day Israel can be run by whoever the people want to have run it.

If they had of called it something else then yeah, they probably could run it the way they want but just naming that country Israel and then installing secular law is a provocation regardless of how stupid it may seem to you. It isn't stupid to others and take a look at the Middle East since that putrid state has been there. Nothing but misery from an imposter who believe it's their God given right to something that doesn't concern them to start with.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
That is bs, the land was inhibited.

The point was that there was a very large influx of people from outside.
The 'Palestinians' are not the Jews of yesteryear.

And it's pretty pathetic that people are so damn bigoted that they are in a DNA fight like this. That's the problem with adhering to ancient Abrahamic myths about land ownership. They need to be dragged into the year 2014 .. kicking and screaming if necessary ... but they've got to pull their heads out of the sand.

2014 AD is a different place than 2,500 BC. It's a more crowded world. Being hung up on religious claims of thousands and thousands of years ago is ignorant.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
If they had of called it something else then yeah, they probably could run it the way they want but just naming that country Israel and then installing secular law is a provocation regardless of how stupid it may seem to you.

- They can call their country anything they want.
- They can run it any way they want.
- Secular rule of law is the only common sense rule of law. It's the only fair law.
- If someone is 'provoked' because secular rule of law is the law of the land, then that person is an idiot.

It isn't stupid to others

and yet, it IS stupid.

and take a look at the Middle East since that putrid state has been there.

and take a look at the Middle East for ALL TIME. It's ALWAYS been a blood bath. Israel being there hasn't changed that fact. No matter who has been in that part of the world .. be it Jew or Christian or Muslim or Pagan or whoever ... it's always been soaked in blood. Your hate for Israel has blinded you to the real history of the region.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
I could just as well run a search on google and copy paste links containing ''rock solid information'' that proves my side of the subject at hand. But I'd rather not stoop to your intellectual standards.

National Geographic and accredited well established universities speaking about migration patterns effecting DNA and human genetics isn't 'stooping'

and I could copy paste links from ''accredited well established universities'' to ...prove..my end of the debate. Besides your amazing googling and copy pasting skills, you really don't have much going for you on a mature discussion forum.

a reply to: sk0rpi0n
As usual - more of your typical off topic personal insult 'blah blah blah' deflection. How about you actually get on topic and address the facts posted.

You said migration doesn't change the racial makeup. I gave solid proven scientific information showing that it does indeed. National Geographic. Smithsonian. Accredited studies from high end universities.

You've been proven wrong.
Common sense. Deal with it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
As usual - more of your typical off topic personal insult 'blah blah blah' deflection. How about you actually get on topic and address the facts posted.

You said migration doesn't change the racial makeup. I gave solid proven scientific information showing that it does indeed. National Geographic. Smithsonian. Accredited studies from high end universities.

You've been proven wrong.
Common sense. Deal with it.

you missed my point. I could google links from ''high end universities''and copy paste them here ..but I will not stoop to your level. Get a mature adult to break that down down for you.