The one little snippet you didn't red line that is very important to discussing this issue with actual intellectual honesty is:
'the world's Jewish communities closely resemble not only each other but also Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, suggesting that all are descended
from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago"
This makes it quite clear that Palestinians et al are ALSO equally entitled to the land - if genetics are to be the only marker for a 'right to exist'
policy. Again, Jews and Palestinians according to your own post, have a COMMON ancestral population group. Hard to ignore that one. This underlines
the stance most opposing the SOI take that in asking us to accept what Israel does in Palestine, is asking us all to accept fratricide as 'ok'.
I for one can't accept that. Murder is murder.
I think few scholars biblical or otherwise would say to any individual human being or group ' you have no right to exist'. In the case of Zionist
Israel however, what most people object to is the claiming of the other "rights" that have been claimed along side of that - the right to murder,
imprison, intimidate, discriminate and bully another person or population, for not being 'like you' or for having the misfortune to have been born in
a land their ancestors were born into that apparently, someone else thinks is there's by divine right.
I personally, would also question if these Zionist based policies and the push for state hood as a whole is actually of Jewish origin at all. Keeping
mind that when discussing this issue, the clash between Zionist supporting Jewish and Zionist non supporting Jewish groups is still ongoing and can't
just be brushed aside so easy.
History documents the rise of Zionism very very well as a political class but ultimately a trans-nationalist group of manipulative tyrants. It is also
reasonable to assert that after the initial wave of immigration under the Balfour declaration, Jewish groups and Palestinians lived side by side in
relative peace IN PALESTINE, until the Zionist invasions overtook their political subsystems and began to press influence on Jewish religious
ideologues in country. As was noted even before the arrival in Palestine, Zionists in 1938 were already long considered collaborators with Nazi
Germany by many Torah abiding Jewish people :
"The Krasner Rav testified that his father-in-law, the Shimloyer Rav, cried out before he was killed by the Nazis, "Only the wickedness of the
Zionists has caused this! It happened to us because we did not protest against them enough."
And now you ask people to support this same group in supporting the 'right to exist' of a Jewish state based on Zionist control, law and principles? I
cant do that, not and be faithful to the principles of 'never again'. To support Zionist Israel is to support a new holocaust as far as I am
Worse, Zionists have claimed to be a hand of God..when the reality is that according to the Torah, the state of Israel (SOI) as it is, contradicts the
Jewish belief that the messiah will come and afterwards
all the Jews will return to the Holy Land. ie: the Jewish people will go there
under the messiah's leadership
not under the hand of political Zionism.
So they are then, at least to me and several million Jewish people, the ones written of that 'placed themselves in the position of God' .....with all
I guess too, that it may also be a case of who and how much you pay for the DNA results, as I've seen mitochondrial DNA studies that show the opposite
to what you've written here, and have even posted on them here at one time. I will have to go look for that post and the studies all over again before
writing in academical sense. I will though as this is important.
The old generation of posters here who knew this stuff inside out are slowly retiring or moving away from discussion of this issue and I can't sit
idyly by to see a perhaps less informed generation of posters arriving here be manipulated unchallenged, by purveyors of 'new speak' and the plethora
of Israeli uni students who, according to Jerusalem post itself, are being paid to write posts extremely similar to this one and push the Zionist
agenda as wide and far as they can.
edit on 13-4-2014 by Rosha because: gremlins