Why do people still blame muslims for 911?

You have no proof. You have an uninformed opinion.

Seven years after 9/11, nothing has refuted all the massive evidence from thousands of independent sources that bin Laden was behind and caused the 9/11 attacks.

You have your work cut out for you if you intend to support your opinion.

it has everything to do with the conspriacy minded.

To CTerz, all this so called evidence that you listed is so obvious, and yet, nobody EXCEPT CTerz give more than a snort and a laugh to it.

This is obviously WHY all rational people still blame Muslims, to return the discussion to OT.

Your job is NOT to bring evidence to convince other CTerz, that is a waste of your time. You must convince the agnostics, but none listen to you.

I doubt this will mean a thing to you, however, since it seems that the only function of ATS is for CTerz to get together and indulge each other's CT fantasies.

It is an ignorance fest ( deny ignorance?)... and the whole subject is nothing more than a glorified IntRaWeb flame war.

Beyond that it is meaningless what gets thrown around in this forum.

~Laginappe: Cognative dissonance can be rather amusing to read...in small doses.

reply to post by jthomas

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Wow! Beside spouting off your ridiculous opinions, why don’t “you” elaborate, where all these thousands of independent web site are that proves with sciences that your Bin Laden was behind 911?
I am looking for the truth .. how about “you”. Beside the lying Government what real proof can you give to support your rants




Looks like you have your cut out as well!





[edit on 1/3/2009 by cashlink]

reply to post by Seymour Butz

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This is the kind of response I would expect from an angry denier! Do you “ever” have anything to contribute to this thread but your meaningless rants? Making fun of people by insulting them constantly, is really going to get you far.

Come on people please!

-How much more evidence do you need that these people who did this were Muslims?

-Denial is easy and so is looking for alternate people to blame who we might have a personal beef with. It sometimes can be harder to just accept the truth for what it is.

They did it, Osama OK'ed it and the entire Muslim world celebrates it. The more you divert people form the truth of what actually happened by un-substantiated spurious theories the more it will prevent us from countering against future attacks and catch those responsible.

-Time to grasp the nettle.....

reply to post by Dusty Pouch

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What “truth” are you talking about, do you have proof that Muslim committed 911?
I do not what to hear, well the FBI, and the CIA, said! Because I know, they are already proven lairs. How do you know it is true? Because they say it is! So far most of the OS has been a proven lie, now some of you want to believe the Government version of the highjackings are true. (Ladies, and genital men, this, straight from the White House, President Bush, announces that extremists, Muslims did the highjackings, take our word for it! From CNN Sucker News.) Come on people, do you all believe in everything the Government tell you. If you answer no, then why would you believe the OS about the highjackings

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You should address this question to tens of millions of Moslems around the world, who know (or believe they know) that the successful execution of the 'Planes Operation' as it was known during the planning phase in 1998-2000 was a great day for radical Islam in its struggle against 'Americn Imperialism' in the Middle East in the 1990s.

Unfortunately, most Americans who believe the delusional 'inside job' fantasy uncritically have no knowledge of the Arab world. Very few of them have lived and worked in Saudi Arabia (as I have) and very few speak Arabic or have any real understanding of radical Jihadist Wahabism, let alone experienced the persistent bombing and terror campaigns perpetrated by this movement throughout Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia and other places in the Islamic world for the past 20 years.

Most people in the Islamic world who know (or believe they know) that this was a successful Jihadist operation are very familiar with all the delusional fantasies about controlled demolitions, pilotless remote-controlled planes, complicity of the Bush administration/CIA/NSA/FBI/MIA/other US Intels (take your pick). They read it all on the internet all the time, and they see it all on these forums and many others. They are not convinced, in my experience.

I visit Iran often, and have many Iranian friends and business partners. I have yet to find one single educated, well-informed Iranian, familiar with all the 'Truther' fantasies, who believes any of it. They know, or believe they know, that the 911 job was a regular Wahabist martyr operation - just one of many hundreds, but the only one to successfully strike directly at the US maninland, rather than just the US armed forces as do most of the IRD and suicide operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I remain skeptical about all the 911 claims, not convinced either way. But it's the tens of millions of moslems around the world who believe that 911 was an Islamist operation you have to convince. So far, after 7 years, they are not persuaded otherwise.

Look, I have seen the film which shows the same Muslim guys in the same motel, boarding the same plane that either a) smashed into the WTC or b) into the Pentagon or c) into a field.

-Either way all these people/terrorists invloved in 9/11 have been traced back to their own specific identities, their own activist associations in Islam and their own country of origin.

-You'll have to come up with a "mountain" of evidence that could possibly contradict these facts and in truth I'm doing you the favor of tolerance to your views because you've posted on this site.

In general any seriously delusional 9/11 deniers are a setback to our united front against terrorism as a nation.- Why would we kill our own on such a massive public scale and then think that the conspiracy would not be uncovered by the most junior of NY's homicide detectives.

Be real..... This is a genuine, naked aggressive attack on America by Islam, nothing more, nothing less.

Accept it and for what it is worth help to counter further attacks... Come on people, you can conspiracy theory your own ass out of a toilet even if you've already taken a dump!

The truth is as it is, you can bend it but it will not break.

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Why do people still blame muslims for 911?

TV.

Because the TV said they were responsible...



For a gold pass. A gold pass that enables them to go into any country that has "terrorists" in it.



That's not the same BBC that reported the collapse of WTC7 a little early, is it?

[edit on 4/1/09 by NuclearPaul]

You forgot, again. The burden of proof is on your shoulders to prove your claims.

After seven years, we're still waiting while you're still denying your responsibility.

One wonders what you possibly think you will accomplish, cashlink. Is it a secret?

One has to wonder why cashlink won't do any research:



- Declaration of war by Osama bin Laden, together with leaders of the World Islamic Front for the Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders, Afghanistan, February 23, 1998.

From "Inside Al Qaeda", Rothan Gunaratna, 2002, ISBN 0-231-12692-1

Doesn't hardcore CT's belive that cia is behind Al Qaeda?

Well, this is the correct answer isn't it, reduced to its bare bones.

The reason people still say Muslims are responsible is cuz CTerz can't convince anybody but other CTerz and those kids with immature frontal lobes that don't have good reasoning abilities and so choose to "rage against the machine".....

CTerz will never get this important fact. They are the minority, and they need to come up with good solid proof that will convince those that are neutral on the issue. Instead, they think that making a post on a website infested with wacked out, delusional CTerz that gets them a "star" from other wacked out, delusional CTerz for their post is proof that they are correct.

Yeah, that is a pretty funny coincidence.

Every plane carries the infamous balck boxes that record everything.

The black boxes are made out of the strongest alloy that we have available.

The blackboxes were destroyed by the "intense heat" of the fires from the planes hitting the towers.

But one of the hijackers was identifyed because His passport miraculously escaped the hijackers pocket, made it safely out of the explosion, and then landed in a convieniant spot for the FBI to find it.

Sure....



We do not need your "permission" nor your "tolerance" to look at the "mountain" of "evidence" that was OK'ed by the US government.

Our government can't even provide a "mountain" of evidence....

Let me see, the Pentagon was suppose to have been hit by a plane.

There was a Hotel across the street that the FBI reports caught the whole incident of the plane smashing into the pentagon on tape.

Real science proves that the Pentagon was hit with an air-to-ground missile.

The FBI refuses to release the tape, which could put these silly conspiracy theories to rest.

I wonder why.

Because there is no plane flying into the Pentagon.



It hasn't been.

And the attack was the perfect excuse for control and to create a police state in America.

"He who would trade essential liberty for temporary safety, deserves neither liberty nor safety"
-Benjamin Franklin

But, alas, that is exactly what we have done, we have traded essential liberties out of our Constitution so the government can protect us.

Disgusting.

If the Muslims hate us because we are a "free" people. Why would we be so submissive and give up our freedoms?

Fear mongering.



You want to stop America from being attacked? Then fire everyone in Washington and start over.

Because like it or not, America is going to be attacked again, but it won't be "Muslim extremists" or "Islamic Radicals" who are the culprit.

It will be compartments of the US government.

A US city is going to be hit with a nuke, I would guess Miami, but who knows.

Oddly enough, there was a nuclear warhead that actually went missing.

[edit on 1/4/2009 by dalan.]

[edit on 1/4/2009 by dalan.]

We are the minority?

Big deal?

There is proof, do research.

We make posts on this website to share information, we have that Constitutional right. Most here would like a place to discuss current events outside of the mainstream.

Big deal.

We're whacked out and delusional?

OK, anymore Kindergarden insults?

How about this, you and your friends can sit around and discuss how awesome the government is.

You can drink more tap water.

And more diet pop.

While you are at it, move to Miami.

I have heard its a beautiful place to live

Did the CIA make him say that?

I bet they did.

reply to post by NuclearPaul

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And your point is??? That on a chaotic news day someone heard them talking about WTC7 and how the FDNY was positive it was going to collapse, and instead they heard that it HAD collapsed??

Good grief, havent any truthers ever played the telephone game? It happens in almost EVERY major news event....James Brady was reported dead after Reagan got shot...oops didnt happen. CNN almost reported President G.H.W. Bush dead after he threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister...oops that didnt happen either. In the rush to "scoop" the competition, the media makes mistakes...always has, always will.

Then what the hell are any of you doing here?

For what possible reason could you be on this website?

If you all have so much scourn for "conspiracy theorists" then WHY ARE YOU ON ABOVE TOP SECRET??!!??

That is the most nonsensical thing that I have ever seen.

You are like a bunch of bored 15 year olds with nothing better to do except to try an "flame" people you happen to disagree with.

Pathetic.

Not even close. The crash survivable recorders are made out of good old steel or aluminum and the are not indestructable. They are more accurately describe as crash resistant and thats largely because they are located near the tail section, which is normally exposed to a lot less destructive forces in a crash.