Originally posted by CameronFox
Cash,

You are not getting my point;

Per you, the United States government successfully pulled off the largest conspiracy in history. YET...were unable to keep the torture of suspected terrorists a secret.

The Manhattan Project with 130 000+ employees remained a secret for quite some time. So I guess it depends on how much effort they put in to it.


Also, America is still in a war where the real motive is still a secret... no way that could have happen. Right? Unless they don´t really care about you knowing most of it.

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
President George H. W. Bush

...No I´m sure there is no way they could keep a secret....

Originally posted by CameronFox
Cash,

You are not getting my point;

Per you, the United States government successfully pulled off the largest conspiracy in history. YET...were unable to keep the torture of suspected terrorists a secret.

That's because they don't have to keep it a secret.

If they were worried about it they would have.

If they were "illegally" torturing people then why hasn't the Bush administration been put on trial?

Because they can't be.

Congress granted them immunity.

So they don't give a damn if people found out that they were torturing prisoners.

9/11 is a whole other story, with out 9/11 the Bush Admin. wouldn't have the immunity they were granted.

Without 9/11 the Bush Admin, wouldn't have had the ability to pass all of the wonderful Acts and Bills that have gone through Congress.

You know, those Acts and Bills that take away our rights, gives the Executive Branch more power, and destroys the Constitution.

All to battle an invisible enemy.

If it hadn't been for 9/11 we would have no right whatsoever to be in the Middle East helping Israel take more land.

If the American people found out the truth of 9/11 the people would tear down the District of Colombia in one night.

If they didn't want you to find out abut the torture victims, we wouldn't be talking about them today.

Like I said before, they don't care about you finding out about them allowing torturing to occur; but they do care about us finding out the truth to 9/11.



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Originally posted by youg_george

Originally posted by CameronFox
Cash,

You are not getting my point;

Per you, the United States government successfully pulled off the largest conspiracy in history. YET...were unable to keep the torture of suspected terrorists a secret.

The Manhattan Project with 130 000+ employees remained a secret for quite some time. So I guess it depends on how much effort they put in to it.


Also, America is still in a war where the real motive is still a secret... no way that could have happen. Right? Unless they don´t really care about you knowing most of it.

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
President George H. W. Bush

...No I´m sure there is no way they could keep a secret....

I had a sort of distant relative who worked for Western Electric on the Manhattan Project. The story told to me by my mother ever since I was a kid was that the MP was supposed to be a secret at the time, but he had figured out what it was anyway.

His daughter became a professor at the Uuniversity of London, England. I have met her. One of her sponsors in England turned out later to be a notorious nuclear spy for the Russians. He was found out in the early eighties, and absconded to the Russians who took him in.

Originally posted by Jailhouserock

Originally posted by youg_george

Originally posted by CameronFox
Cash,

You are not getting my point;

Per you, the United States government successfully pulled off the largest conspiracy in history. YET...were unable to keep the torture of suspected terrorists a secret.

The Manhattan Project with 130 000+ employees remained a secret for quite some time. So I guess it depends on how much effort they put in to it.


Also, America is still in a war where the real motive is still a secret... no way that could have happen. Right? Unless they don´t really care about you knowing most of it.

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
President George H. W. Bush

...No I´m sure there is no way they could keep a secret....

I had a sort of distant relative who worked for Western Electric on the Manhattan Project. The story told to me by my mother ever since I was a kid was that the MP was supposed to be a secret at the time, but he had figured out what it was anyway.

His daughter became a professor at the Uuniversity of London, England. I have met her. One of her sponsors in England turned out later to be a notorious nuclear spy for the Russians. He was found out in the early eighties, and absconded to the Russians who took him in.

Yeah i was also under the impression that the Russians had a fair idea of what was going on with the MP when it was brought up brieftly at the Yalta conference Stalin didn't seem surprised supposedly. Obviously they wouldn't of known the full extent but would of had a really good idea about it.

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Why do peoeple blame the Muslims?

Hmmmm. Let's see. Traditional, dangerous, and persistent enemies for generations.

Many other attacks.

Two American embassies in Africa? Wait, no. That must have been some big conspiracy by unknown conspirators too.

The USS Cole? Wait. No. The Muslims in the boat were American conspirators in drag.

Osama tells us he did it? No wait. He was just joking. It was Saturday Night Live.

Leaders of al-Qaeda told us?. No. Wait, CTs say it just aint so.

All the evidence seems to point to it? No. inexplicably no.

I had known about 9-11 since 1997? Wait. CTs say this just cannot be true because it does not fit their agenda either.

Hell, you got me on that question. Perhaps you can give us the answer.

I would not doubt that for a minute. They had spies and intelligence gathering capabilities. If they were not getting some of the info they were after, they would probably have given up. Who knows who knew what? Not me. But I do remember the story. The guy was an electrical engineer.

You say if the American people knew the truth about 9-11 they would tear down DC. Even if the CTs were right, I doubt it very much. From what I have seen, as long as the American people have their basic needs met, they could not really care much what the truth is about 9-11 or anything else that does not impinge directly and closely on their own local interests.

If the government is half as conniving, rapacious, and fascist as some CTs seem to be suggesting it is, why do they decry the attacks of 9-11? Why don't they see them as just attacks against an unjust government? Or do they believe the only answer to offensive, murderous government should be pissing and moaning on internet forums?

You attribute more moral fiber and altruism to Americans that seems to be evident.

Although not EXACTLY to do with the thread...searching ATS,but im bad at searching my apologies.Has anyone ever gotten to the bottom of .

a) The head of ISI transferring $100,000 into one of the hijackers bank accounts before the attacks?

b) French intelligence officer saying he saw Osama in june/july in a Usa military base getting treatment with a dialysis machine and being met by various other intelligence officers including CIA?

c)Why the hell would America not say anything to saudi arabia even though all the hijackers were from there? Instead blamed Afghanistan?

Nothing was ever said about this..why?? Im only going by what i remember,should probably google before asking but im sure i remember.

Originally posted by Jailhouserock
Why do peoeple blame the Muslims?

Osama tells us he did it? No wait. He was just joking. It was Saturday Night Live.

It might as well have been Saturday Night live, because it has been pretty well established that it WASN'T Osama bin Laden in the "confession tape."

Leaders of al-Qaeda told us?. No. Wait, CTs say it just aint so.

There is no such thing as "al-qaeda"

Even the British SIS have admitted that "al-qaeda" is make believe.

I'll have to look for the quote.

I had known about 9-11 since 1997? Wait. CTs say this just cannot be true because it does not fit their agenda either.

Where is your proof that you have known about the attacks since '97? What agenda is it that Conspiracy Theorists are suppose to have? Besides not liking being lied to?

Hell, you got me on that question. Perhaps you can give us the answer.

I already answered the OPs question.

Ignorance.

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Originally posted by Jailhouserock

You say if the American people knew the truth about 9-11 they would tear down DC. Even if the CTs were right, I doubt it very much. From what I have seen, as long as the American people have their basic needs met, they could not really care much what the truth is about 9-11 or anything else that does not impinge directly and closely on their own local interests.

As long as the American people are lulled into a sense of false security by superficial entertainments and creature comforts, they are less likely to question the government.

But yes, if the truth of 9/11 came out, the District of Columbia would not last.

If the government is half as conniving, rapacious, and fascist as some CTs seem to be suggesting it is, why do they decry the attacks of 9-11? Why don't they see them as just attacks against an unjust government? Or do they believe the only answer to offensive, murderous government should be pissing and moaning on internet forums?

The 9/11 attacks were not against the government if that is what you are getting at.

Those attacks were against innocent Americans.

If you have actually been paying attention, ATS users don't generally sit around and "piss and moan." The whole point of coming here is to share information and ideas, which is exactly what we do.

I am sure that it is hard for you to understand the concept of sharing info and ideas.

You attribute more moral fiber and altruism to Americans tha[n] seems to be evident.

The American people have the capacity to be very caring towards others, just like any other Nation.

But the American people have been extremely manipulated with superficiality and poor education.

An extremely volatile combination of stupidity.

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Originally posted by Seymour Butz

Originally posted by Jailhouserock

Suggestion: Do research before posting; not that it matters on such a forum as this, but it is still a good idea.

Boy, ain't THAT the truth.

To ask such a stupid Q as the OP....

Reading "The 9/11 Commission Report," and taking it as 100% truth, does not count as doing research.

And neither does watching Faux News.

The OP did not ask a stupid question.

The OP wants to know why, with all of the evidence that supports the fact that the US government carried out 9/11, are people still believing the false lie of "Islamic terrorism?"