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Topic started on 2-1-2009 @ 10:28 AM by Iamonlyhuman
The defendant in this hypothetical criminal prosecution can invoke the Sixth Amendment: namely, “In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right * * * to have compulsory process for obtaining Witnesses in his favor * * * .” Presumably, a properly represented defendant would subpoena Obama himself as the indispensable witness, requiring him to bring into court whatever records were in his possession or subject to his control that in any way evidenced, related to, or referred to the time, place, and circumstances of his birth, or to his citizenship, application for citizenship, renunciation of citizenship, or oath of allegiance in or to any country. This would include the original of his supposed Hawaiian birth certificate; every subsequent Hawaiian “certification of live birth” or like document created by public authorities; every other “birth certificate” or equivalent document whenever, wherever, and by whomever generated in the name of “Barack Obama” or any of his several other names; every document submitted to an educational institution that contained information or representations concerning his place of birth or citizenship; and so on. In the interest of expediting the process, the custodians of records in Hawaii would also be subpoenaed to testify and to produce all relevant documents subject to their control. To be sure, Obama himself might invoke a privilege against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment as the grounds for refusing to testify or to disgorge inculpatory papers. But custodians of public records in Hawaii or elsewhere throughout the United States have no such privilege. And no Hawaiian or other law of the States or the General Government purporting to make those records “confidential” can frustrate the Sixth Amendment.
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Is this what you'd like to see happen? It WILL happen this way if it's not taken care of BEFORE his inauguration. Lawyers are just waiting for there to be a felony case that they can make a name of themselves with.

I really wish I hadn't started looking at this in the first place. I'm disgusted that it's gotten this far and every one of you should be too. When the POTUS can't ACT as POTUS because of fear, that's when he becomes a lame duck. If inaugurated before this is cleared up, we will have elected a lame duck!


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 01:25 PM by redhatty
Since only 170 Electoral Votes have been received for Obama so far and the Electoral votes are transmitted to Congress tomorrow. It may be a mute issue


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 06:25 PM by Iamonlyhuman
Benevolent Heretic,

Sure. Basically, the fact that Obama won't be able to sign any legislation into law without the fear that the very first time someone breaks that law, he and everyone else will be forced to PROVE his eligibility so that the courts can enforce the law.

Snipets for your aching head...

As a matter of undeniable constitutional right and practical necessity, as soon as Obama’s Department of Justice attempts to enforce through criminal prosecutions legislation that the new Congress will enact and Obama will sign...


For example, in a criminal prosecution under a new statute that reinstates the Clinton “assault-weapons ban”. A defendant will undeniably have “standing” to challenge the indictment on the grounds that no statute imposing such a ban even exists, because the original “Bill which passed the House of Representatives and the Senate” was never “presented to the President of the United States”, and therefore could never “become a Law,” inasmuch as the supposed “President,” Barack Obama, being constitutionally ineligible for that office, was then and remains thereafter nothing but an usurper.


Basically, the invalidity of the law is the basis for the defense of the person.

Presumably, a properly represented defendant would subpoena Obama himself as the indispensable witness, requiring him to bring into court whatever records were in his possession or subject to his control that in any way evidenced, related to, or referred to the time, place, and circumstances of his birth, or to his citizenship, application for citizenship, renunciation of citizenship, or oath of allegiance in or to any country. This would include the original of his supposed Hawaiian birth certificate; every subsequent Hawaiian “certification of live birth” or like document created by public authorities...


In the interest of expediting the process, the custodians of records in Hawaii would also be subpoenaed to testify and to produce all relevant documents subject to their control.


And no Hawaiian or other law of the States or the General Government purporting to make those records “confidential” can frustrate the Sixth Amendment.


I know that wasn't as short as you probably need but it's the best I could do...


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 06:26 PM by Iamonlyhuman
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Actually, now I think it's up to 184 (if my calculator was working right).


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 07:07 AM by Anonymous ATS
Illegal acts of the United State have never stopped it from proceeding along it merry way. Even if Obama was born in Hawaii - he still is not a Natural Born Citizen. Hawaii is not a legal state of the United States! See the following website: whatreallyhappened.com...   In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii’s statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations’ charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact. United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people. So even if Obama was born in Hawaii - he was not born in a legal U.S. State and is not a NBC.

So one illegal act spawns another illegal act and so on.


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 09:04 AM by SideWynder
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I agree with you to a point, about them being "pushed aside" or even laughed out of court.. but there is always the chance that just one "aspiring" young lawyer or congressman might actually try this. and create some sort of "scandle"..

But I hope that you are correct in that this is truly a non issue.. As has been stated before Obama has been "elected"(I know, not all the electoral votes are officialy in yet) And like it or not, He, as it stands now( for all practical intents and purposes) is our President..

God help the man.. I hope he is able to meet at least some of the expectations that have been heaped upon him...

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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 09:33 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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I have no doubt someone will try it. As demonstrate by the many frivolous lawsuits in the works, people are going to try all they can to get what they want. Some people just cannot accept reality.

As far as the electoral votes not being in yet, most states that voted for McCain aren't listed on that website either. I'm guessing that the website just hasn't been updated.

Some idiot has sued the Inauguration for the past 3 elections to get the prayers and "so help me, God" removed from the oath. He's doing it again this year. Some people just want what they want, and will make a big deal about it, even if they're wrong. What can I say? It's a free country.


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 09:40 AM by SideWynder
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I understand and agree with you.. and as far as your comment about a "free country" for some reason sitting here on a "conspiracy theory website" the Irony of that statement made me laugh...

I am not articulate enough to explain the humor I saw in it.. but hopefully you understand what I am trying to say...

Anyway I hope that your headache has subsided...



reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 10:01 AM by SideWynder
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Seems Pizza Hut has started putting MSG in their sauce and it gave me a migraine.



I know this is off topic, but that explains alot, I noticed something was up with pizza hut, whole family has been having "digestion" probs after eating thier pizzas and stuff, just never put it together is all...thought maybe a "localized" prob...

OOH, maybe a topic for starting another thread......

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