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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:18 PM by alyosha1981
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Originally posted by hlesterjerome
They still voted for terrorists, who are openly commited to fighting a war with Israel forever.
They still choose war over peace.
"They" wanted a power who would oppose their oppression, That doesn't mean "they" should be killed for wanting freedom and a higher quality of
life.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:19 PM by TwiTcHomatic
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This is going to get worse.
Ground assault within the next 24 hours, is what I see from the current posturing.
You start a ground war with air strikes first. That phase is ending.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:21 PM by alyosha1981
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Lets hope the Israeli troops can be more desscerning in their strikes then the bombs that kill civilians.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:24 PM by redled
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If they bombed all of the mosques, temples, churches and synagogues we might have a basis for peace.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:27 PM by alyosha1981
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Originally posted by redled
reply to post by alyosha1981
If they bombed all of the mosques, temples, churches and synagogues we might have a basis for peace.
Ummm... in what fairytale land would this statement hold true? and please tell me you don't believe all occupants of the above mentioned are involved
with terrorist activity.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:29 PM by redled
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Big fairytale..... of course symoblic sites are more important than life and peace. Silly me, d'oh.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:36 PM by dooper
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I'll tell you exactly what would work. Instead of Israel trying to snipe-bomb these Hamas turds, the trick is to bring them to you.
Israeli forces should go in, take a mosque, and simply taunt.
These Hamas holy fighters could not meet the eyes of their nation, much less the eyes of their women and let that stand.
Israel picks its killing fields, and the slaughter is on.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 10:26 PM by Taikonaut
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Originally posted by dooper
I'll tell you exactly what would work. Instead of Israel trying to snipe-bomb these Hamas turds, the trick is to bring them to you.
Israeli forces should go in, take a mosque, and simply taunt.
These Hamas holy fighters could not meet the eyes of their nation, much less the eyes of their women and let that stand.
Israel picks its killing fields, and the slaughter is on.
And jesus said "I shall turn the other cheek for I do not have an ignore button"
..but I do
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 10:28 PM by arbiture
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Oh, just a suggestion. Perhaps a thought, but mabey Isreal will stop hitting the safe havens of and all the hatters of Isreal who lob shells into
schools, hospitals, homes and apartments? You guys who but might be able to reason that does not hate but how manner have but by the Muslims and a few
other like Nazi's and other nuts that have so openly hated a people like the Jews or Isreal. Isreal will be driven into or wiped off the Earth. Even
in in the worse days of the cold war the US never had that kind of Bull S***. Grow uo arab and muslim world and you might be very surprised, Isreal
does not HATE OR DESIRE A DEATH OF YOU. get that you head, please people. Those who wish to "wiped Isreal or the Jews off off the face of the Earth"
or has the stations Al Ja zera, etc only act as they appear to be, an Arab hate mouth piece?
Oh, by the way I heard Isreal took out a Mosque used to store weapons we have and should be it a mosque, church, synagod, temple of the collective
fools, I don't what they call themsels, we would have to destroy it, and would do the same if we as a nation or people even as remotely severe as
Isreal has been. Remember the antigovernment nut case at Waco Texas? The branch, pardon me the the rason our chidren died dividians? Don't give me
the anti goornment crap that the US state or feds killed them. How many officers died before before they had to resort to extreme force. I would not
have been so gracious. There so called was an excuse for stupid people doing utterly insane things buble head adults who the DIRECT result of their
childrens death, this idiots armagagedon was at and it was for the inocent children. As far the adults, I sure to now and forever having to answer for
thereir crimes owns. I dont give a dam if they want but their kids, these where personification of idiots, simple and so god D*** a** cruel.
"religious or non religious fanatic", I dont care one how stupid you are A fanatic of and religious, non religious stripe that is by history and
retoric proven, needs to delt with at once. Please would the Arab and Muslims just grow the hell up, you victinize your own people, not the Jews or
Isreal. You take it out ON YOUR OWN AND YOUR SHOCKED WOULD ISREAL DEFENDS ITSELF, ARE YOU RELIGION OR PEOPLE ON DRUGS OR SOMETHING, tell me I really
want why you act insane.Get it through your head, or will discover BY YOUR GOVERNMENTS ARE DIGGING YOUR OWN GRAVES, ALL OF YOU, DRAGGING YOU DOWN WITH
THEM. Do youself a big favor and get rid of your insane governments before they kill all of you, and Isreal has more then the power and all the
PERSON STREANGTH not TO go down with out one hell of a devestaing attack on the any one that threatens its survival. They once found out the fatal
danger of not having a nation state to cover their ass, no one would help with the issue of "the Jewish problem" including the allies. an issue what
happened to the Jews. Never again.
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 11:12 PM by Taikonaut
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Yet another suckling at the teat of MSM propaganda broadcasts rears their head
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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 11:30 PM by alyosha1981
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Originally posted by arbiture
Oh, just a suggestion. Perhaps a thought, but mabey Isreal will stop hitting the safe havens of and all the hatters of Isreal who lob shells into
schools, hospitals, homes and apartments? You guys who but might be able to reason that does not hate but how manner have but by the Muslims and a few
other like Nazi's and other nuts that have so openly hated a people like the Jews or Isreal. Isreal will be driven into or wiped off the Earth. Even
in in the worse days of the cold war the US never had that kind of Bull S***. Grow uo arab and muslim world and you might be very surprised, Isreal
does not HATE OR DESIRE A DEATH OF YOU. get that you head, please people. Those who wish to "wiped Isreal or the Jews off off the face of the Earth"
or has the stations Al Ja zera, etc only act as they appear to be, an Arab hate mouth piece?
Oh, by the way I heard Isreal took out a Mosque used to store weapons we have and should be it a mosque, church, synagod, temple of the collective
fools, I don't what they call themsels, we would have to destroy it, and would do the same if we as a nation or people even as remotely severe as
Isreal has been. Remember the antigovernment nut case at Waco Texas? The branch, pardon me the the rason our chidren died dividians? Don't give me
the anti goornment crap that the US state or feds killed them. How many officers died before before they had to resort to extreme force. I would not
have been so gracious. There so called was an excuse for stupid people doing utterly insane things buble head adults who the DIRECT result of their
childrens death, this idiots armagagedon was at and it was for the inocent children. As far the adults, I sure to now and forever having to answer for
thereir crimes owns. I dont give a dam if they want but their kids, these where personification of idiots, simple and so god D*** a** cruel.
"religious or non religious fanatic", I dont care one how stupid you are A fanatic of and religious, non religious stripe that is by history and
retoric proven, needs to delt with at once. Please would the Arab and Muslims just grow the hell up, you victinize your own people, not the Jews or
Isreal. You take it out ON YOUR OWN AND YOUR SHOCKED WOULD ISREAL DEFENDS ITSELF, ARE YOU RELIGION OR PEOPLE ON DRUGS OR SOMETHING, tell me I really
want why you act insane.Get it through your head, or will discover BY YOUR GOVERNMENTS ARE DIGGING YOUR OWN GRAVES, ALL OF YOU, DRAGGING YOU DOWN WITH
THEM. Do youself a big favor and get rid of your insane governments before they kill all of you, and Isreal has more then the power and all the
PERSON STREANGTH not TO go down with out one hell of a devestaing attack on the any one that threatens its survival. They once found out the fatal
danger of not having a nation state to cover their ass, no one would help with the issue of "the Jewish problem" including the allies. an issue what
happened to the Jews. Never again.
Whatt????   can anybody make any sense of all this, I sure can't and I want to understand what arbiture is attempting to say.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:10 AM by geek101
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two very good links:
This first set of photos shows the Israeli attacks on Gaza, they are very graphic, VERY graphic....the second set (halfway down the page more or
less)...shows the "carnage" of the qassam rockets. It shows how the claims of Israel being justified in attacking Gaza because of the rocket attacks
is pathetic to say the least.
Juxtaposition of effects of Israeli attacks and Hamas attacks
(WARNING...GRAPHIC PICTURES!)
So what have the Palestinians got to complain about?
(a very dry sarcastic look at the Israel war by a brilliant columnist)
i'm sure some people will say the first it Palestinian propaganda.
edit to make various changes to clear up some confusion
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:22 AM by alyosha1981
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Wow! good thing you put a warning, but I'll bewilling to be the Israeli air strikes do the same if not more wouldn't you
say?
Here's some good video footage I came across on youtube, the second one is a good account of what the Palestinians go through, in comparison with the
first one wich shows the weapons of Palestine and Israel in a comparison.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:24 AM by geek101
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i think you misunderstood (i thought some people might)....the most graphic pictures are from the Israeli strikes on gaza....these are followed by the
"carnage" that the qassam rockets cause (ie, none)...its a great juxtaposition for those who claim that Isrealis are justified in their attacks.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:31 AM by alyosha1981
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Thanks for the clairification I was a slight bit confussed but now I understand whay you were trying to convey with your post, thanks
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:33 AM by geek101
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it was confusing, i have edited the post to make it clearer.
It just shows the immense difference in fighting power here and it amazes me that people can call the Israeli attacks "proportionate"
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:38 AM by alyosha1981
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I agree completly, check out the first video I posted it shows that holds to be true form a non biased point of view, The second one is good to I
think all in all it's like throwing rocks at sombody who is shooting at you with bullets.BTW I starred your post because of the quality if
information.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:47 AM by geek101
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i watched the videos you posted. I agree, they really do show the difference in power. I admit i never really knew what a qassam rocket was, and to
see them and to see them in action...wow...they are very small.
The thing i don't get (and someone else pointed this out elsewhere) is that we (me and you and people like me and you), can criticise Hamas AND also
criticise the Israelis for their disproportionate response. But those pro-Israelis cannot, ever, it seems, see that they could be wrong in this.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 12:52 AM by alyosha1981
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Well your are right, in that Israel is the "good son" and can do no wrong as the world sees Hamas as terrorists, due to the MSM and the common
belief that they attack Israel unnprovoked. As the videos clearly show and as you had mentioned previously the response is clearly diproportionate.
Hamas Qassam rockets are crude and unreliable and no match for the billion dollar, U.S funded military of Israel.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 02:01 AM by mmiichael
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No one wants to mention it here because it conflicts with simple pro-Israel and anti-Israel rhetoric.
Not a secret - Iran has been funding and supplying Hamas with money and weapons specifically to engage in a third party war with Western interests,
just as they have done in Iraq. They believe they will polarize Muslim sentiment in their favour by the systematic break down of Israel's morale and
economy.
Israel my be responding to Hamas in Gaza, but this is an Iran vs. the West confrontation.
The Sunni Muslim courtiers, particularly Egypt and Saudi Arabia watch quietly on the sidelines feigning outrage and indignation at Zionist aggression,
but quietly cheering on the Israelis hoping that once and for all Iran will get the message that there are more pressing issues in the Middle East
beyond an Iran directed Islamic Revolution.
MF
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