Israel destroys Hamas homes, flattens Gaza mosque

What about the land taken from Palestine? What about just letting them have their own Palestinian state?

Um, let's just remember that this is where the Palestinians lived - up until the US and UN decided to simply annex the land to create the State of Israel. Then slowly over time, the Israelis have taken more and more and more of the land. They have corralled the Palestinians into little ghettos and deprived them of basic humn rights for decades. If I werew in the same situation, you had better believe that I would be finding ways to terrorize my oppressors. Sorry Flyer, you and I normally agree on issues, but not on this one.

Keep in mind, the UN has dozens of resolutions passed against the Israelis for occupation, detention, war crime violations and viloation of international laws. They are hardly innocent.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The more land in Palestine that's gobbled up by Israel the more desperate Hamas will become until what? I don't know but I fear countless lives lost for starters.Israel shouldn't be targeting homes and mosque's if anything and they have the capability, target only the rocket launch points and not the civillians.

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reply to post by DJMessiah

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You don't have a clue what your talking about mate

99% of the problems in Iraq are caused by Sunni insurgents bombing Shia districts, like schools and markets...
I suggest you get educated on this subject before you start typing even more drivel...

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99% of the problems, eh? What caused most of the deaths in 2008?



www.iraqbodycount.org...




www.iraqbodycount.org...

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Don't beleive the "It's because they want to stop Israel from expanding it's borders' lie.

Pregant Israeli woman and 4 children murdered

Hamas Manifesto

More on Hamas


There are no 'palestinians'. Arafat himself was EGYPTIAN.
If they were better behaved then they could GO HOME to their respective
ancestoral homelands. But even Egypt won't let them in and Jordan has
banned Hamas.


Muslims went to war against a better equiped soverign country of Israel. They lost. They lost the rights to the land when they picked a fight and lost a war. The winners are in no obligation to give land to agressors who lost a war.


That's fine. People can disagree on certain issues and still be civil and friendly.


... which Hamas puts in civilian places. They hide behind civilians.
The civilians aren't targetted ... but Hamas makes them get hit.
Probably fully aware that it will make the world side with them ....
Hamas is using their own people, their own children, as fodder.



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Oh yes. Lovely little site. More of the 'blame america first' crowd.
From that site

No mention of the fact that Saddam was responsible for the invasion of Kuwait and that he LOST. No mention of the fact that Saddam was supposed to follow UN mandates after his loss in Kuwait but he DID NOT FOLLOW THEM. No mention that due to the fact that Saddam was MASSIVELY breaking the mandates, that the mandates called for forcing him to comply was completely legitimate and needed.

He broke the no fly zones.
He stole the Oil for Food money - billions - from the Iraqi people.
He rearmed and worked on WMD programs. (and used them on the Kurds).
All in violation of UN mandates which he was supposed to follow since he LOST the war HE STARTED in Kuwait.

Gulf War I and the War in Iraq are tied together - all through Saddams actions.

Thanks for linking a site that keeps from using the term "Islamo -Facists" sparingly. I'm sure there's no bias.

Regarding your article, it's sad that a mother and her children died. In retrospect, would you like me to post articles for you showing you who the Israeli goverment killed?

Remember the family eating on the beach who were killed by an Israeli missile?

You seem to have also overlooked my question. I'll ask it again: "If you were a Palestinian, how would you keep Israel from expanding its borders?"

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Where they wrong to say:



Which part of that is false?

And who exactly put Saddam into power?

Yep, it was the good ole USA. We caused the deaths of Iraqis then and we cause their deaths now. Think it's time we stop converting the world into a "democracy" at gunpoint. You think we would have learned by now with Palestine.

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I believe you forgot one option here? WHAT IF THEY ARE OUT LAUNCHING ROCKETS AT ISRAELI INNOCENTS AT THE TIME THE CALL COMES????

NOUGH SAID!!!

OF COURSE, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT ALL PALESTINIANS DO ON THEIR FREE TIME. IT'S THE PAST TIME EVENT, LIKE BASEBALL IS HERE IN THE US.

Honestly, I can't tell if you're being serious or joking. I hope it's the later, because no one could believe anything as foolish as that.

If all civilians were firing rockets, why haven't there been a news story about 1,000,000+ rockets being fired so far?

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What? Religious buildings have no such protection under any international agreements that I know of. They are legitimate targets when used as a base for military activity. Have you never watched a war movie where a steeple is used by a sniper or a FOO(Forward Observation Officer)? What is the first thing that happens when they are found out? That's right, it get blowed up real good!

BTW Religous buildings are not even mentioned in the Geneva Convention. The only caviat is the requirements to allow religious worship in a adequate facilities when you take POWs.

This POST is proof positive that the G.W. Bush school of Geography is doing well and many have taken the classes.

Only a geographically challenged idiot would claim Israel holds all the borders with Gaza, but most Jew Haters are moronic in so many ways it's hard to keep up with them and their moronicy, is moronicy a word? It should be idiocy is...

Anyways get a map, a REAL ONE not a G.W. B. School of Geography one then look at the Egyptian Border and Gaza and come back and tell us all what I have taught you!!!

Thanks for playing.

reply to post by FlyersFan

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"The innocent people suffer because of HAMAS.
Israel is defending itself - as is their right.
Hamas caused the bombs to fall where they did.
Hamas picked human shields and civilian structures to work out of.
HAMAS doesn't care."

Right, it goes to show just how much hamas cares about the people, I mean their so brave that they have to hide behind civilians, such a brave group to look up too. I'd heard on the news that that"brave" hamas leader that got hit with that 2000lb bomb had been warned but instead of getting his wives an children out of danger choose to use his own family as a shield (what a loving man).

They have been offered their own state at least 6 times since 47-48 and have at every offer TURNED IT DOWN, can you tell me why? I know why, I am just wondering if you can tell me why they refuse their own state?

I bet you can't, we shall see though...

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I was DEAD SERIOUS, and don't try telling us informed people that NO PALESTINIANS ARE COMMITTING ACTS OF TERROR, we won't fall for your Jew hating propaganda, but hey at least you people never change your tune so it's easy to tune out!!!

If you hate Jews you should be proud and just admit it, cmon, lots of Jew Haters proudly announce their hatred look at the Muslims, how about skinheads, what about Klansmen, OH WAIT the Klaners aren't proud of their Hatred or they wouldn't wear sheets to hide their identity, do you own a sheet?

Now to the point of your post, you say that no self respecting palestinian (Muslim) would commit acts of terror against or hate Jews let alone children correct? Please watch the video below and change your ideas to fit the facts of the matter:

YouTube Link

And if you want I can get you links to palestinian kids at 6, 8, 10, 14 that have had their "loving" parents strap bombs to them to go kill Jews...

A cult of death that should be wiped off the face of the Earth to protect the rest of us if you ask me...

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Alright you say you would get outta there but where would you go?

It's not like you'll be allowed to even leave Gaza. And you're pretty much in danger where ever you are in Gaza. And don't use that line about them setting up headquarters and building in the middle of cities because tell me where they're supposed to set up at. Do you even know how crowded Gaza is. It's not like they are gonna set up their headquarters in the middle of a field. They have no where else to set up at due to the small area they live in and the over population of that area.

Last time i checked...Egypt was shooting at people trying to flee Gaza into Egypt

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What's to stop anyone with an online copy of the Israeli phonebook ringing random homes in Sderot or other locations within reach of Qassams and using the same tactic...and can be done anonymously

here's a couple of links to start with:

BT Israeli telelephone area codes

Useful addresses and phone numbers in Israel

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alyosha1981

Saying a building was a strong hold of some kind is a decades old excuse,so we shouldn't be surprised that it is still in use.

The big problem I have over these alleged phone calls is this,
Israel would have to know every member of Hamas to be able do that.Does any government anywhere know every single member of a terrorist organization? No.Do they know that the people they call are not supporters of Hamas,who would not go and tell the members to evacuate too? No.And if the sound bomb warned civilians away,wouldn't it also warn the Hamas members away? Yes.



jam321

Israeli police have raided mosque's on may occasions.The military bombing them should come as no surprise.




FlyersFan

I find it ironic that your signature leads to a site about fighting for your (America's) freedom.Tell me again why Palestine cannot fight for its freedom,but others can.



So that means every other Palestinian isn't Palestinian.

Palestine has been one of the names of that land since Roman times.Therefore the people born within can be called Palestinians.

Let me direct you to some maps that show the name Palaestina/Palestine.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
www.georgeglazer.com...
www.1uptravel.com...




They are in their ancestral homeland.
For the love of god,do some bloody research!





theindependentjournal



Israel holds 3 Gaza borders and the sea,and Egypt holds the 4th border.
Name one country that is happy to let 1000's of fleeing refugees live there.Egypt isn't letting them in,Israel is around the rest of Gaza,so where is it that they're supposed to go again?


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