Originally posted by Hanslune
However I would correct one item of your last message. Yes you do believe what you believe. I don't believe, I know, the scientific data on this subject is overwhelming.
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by cancerian42
Lots of times but in this case you're talking about a vast body of knowledge supported by multiple layers of confirming data, bloister by common sense.
I would suspect that finding out that Belgium started the Sino-Japanese war would be as equally likely as to finding out that all this information is wrong. Plus you can figure it out yourself without relying on outside experts.
What are the chances you're wrong about god?
Okay prove there was no biblical global flood, I like learning new things. I did look up what the bible says about the 4 rivers, btw which translation are you using?
2:11 The name of the first is Pishon; it runs through 1 the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 2:12 (The gold of that land is pure; 2 pearls 3 and lapis lazuli 4 are also there). 2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it runs through 5 the entire land of Cush. 6 2:14 The name of the third river is Tigris; it runs along the east side of Assyria. 7 The fourth river is the Euphrates.Netbible
10: 10: And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.KJ
11: The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12: And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13: And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14: And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates
What was used to waterproof the ark? We are told that God instructed Noah to coat the ark inside and out with the naturally- occurring hydrocarbon pitch, which causes a bit of a problem since, according to Whitcomb and Morris, all oil, tar and coal deposits were formed when organic matter was buried DURING the flood.
Does the flood story make the whole Bible less credible? Davis Young is a working geologist who also is an Evangelical Christian. He has personal doubts about some aspects of evolution, but he makes a devastating case against "Flood Geology." He writes (Christianity and the Age of the Earth, p. 163): "The maintenance of modern creationism and Flood geology not only is useless apologetically with unbelieving scientists, it is harmful. Although many who have no scientific training have been swayed by creationist arguments, the unbelieving scientist will reason that a Christianity that believes in such nonsense must be a religion not worthy of his interest...Modern creationism in this sense is apologetically and evangelistically ineffective. It could even be a hindrance to the gospel. "Another possible danger is that in presenting the gospel to the lost and in defending God's truth we ourselves will seem to be false. It is time for Christian people to recognize that the defense of this modern, young-Earth, Flood-geology creationism is simply not truthful. It is simply not in accord with the facts that God has given. Creationism must be abandoned by Christians before harm is done...." [From: bill@bessel.as.utexas.edu (William H. Jefferys) See also Young, 1988]
Well you can lump anyone who believes in a flood "Christian" but numerous "cultures" across the world have oral or written stories of a great flood. Those cultures don't have anything to do with Christianity and in same cases were pre-Scripture or did not have access to it.
Okay, maybe I wasn't specific enough. I don't believe, and there is no evidence the Sumerians/Akkiadians/Babylonians were talking about a GLOBAL FLOOD, however there is evidence that a rather large flood happened in and around Shuruppak in the 3rd millenium.
Same general time frame as the Bible.
Point being, taking a flood story out of context/time and associating it with other flood stories simply because someone wants to prove the GREAT FLOOD happened is meaningless.
