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Freedom is a fantasy, we need rules not chaos

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posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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What will be unattainable, as soon as reality hits and the truth is available to the masses, is nwo, and fascism. Its just becoming unglued from their matrix and then the true freedom and community will eventually form without the renegade/bloodlines in control. The people will be managing just fine thank you.

Although I do admire your positive attitude decades of secrecy and manipulation say complete opposite and the governments of the world are increasing their grip on the citizens as apposed to loosening it.

People as of yet have failed to make enough of a significant impact to reverse what the government is doing as every agent of the government is bought and owned. Everyone from Government Agencies to the Presidents themselves have sold themselves to greed and deception.

Contrasting views make for great discussions as I see a bleak future and you see a positive one of course what will be the real one is yet to be seen.




posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Their plans don't mean much once things get nasty. They have control over large numbers of ranks within the government, militia and news media, with most being fear based. They won't win this battle once it gets going, and their own ranks will be spreading the truth increasing the peoples numbers. Theres no going back for the cartel and their supporters either. Its not like when the people ruin their plans they can say, "Oh, my bad! Lets just forget this whole dirty little mess happened shall we!"

We also have a joker card, the visitors, and while many speculate as to their siding in all of this, I can assure you, their presence here is not in support of our leaders. How can you tell? Their main focus is on equality, community, sharing. They would prefer to see humans demonstrating a total lack of willingness to follow the bad orders of the cartel/renegades and start to act cooperatively at local levels. They honor natives and promote moneyless, resource societies, not ruled by elites like the Venus Project, but our own grass roots ones. They have many ongoing projects, grassroots amongst people here.

We must never summit to the renegades ruling this planet, or their henchmen.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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Freedom is a very broad term.

How it is bought into physcial manifestation is the point of attention.
anything is doable when its done kindly

take care and bless



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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Im free in my heart, I'm free in my soul, I'm not free in my mind because that's been conditioned to be trapped "But thats my own fault" however I'm working on fixing that through Awareness.




posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by psycho81
Im free in my heart, I'm free in my soul, I'm not free in my mind because that's been conditioned to be trapped "But thats my own fault" however I'm working on fixing that through Awareness.



Well put. Do you think we can ever be totally free from our mind though? Turning back decades of mind non awarness is not easy is it. Ive done it well for say a day, then the next day something makes me become trapped again in the mind, and then I realize and kick myself.

Also who knows how much of our mind conditioning has been handed down through our reincarnations?

As humans we are in love with our minds and the relationship we have with it. It takes us back to the past and then projects us into the future, laying out all sorts of scenarios, we actually dont need these one bit. Why worry about yesterday or tomorrow. Its already been or has yet to come, we have no need to give a single thought to these times. However our love affair with our minds keeps us doing it doesnt it.

Total freedom is living completely in the now and being as you say completely aware, not an easy task.



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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Well put. Do you think we can ever be totally free from our mind though? Turning back decades of mind non awarness is not easy is it. Ive done it well for say a day, then the next day something makes me become trapped again in the mind, and then I realize and kick myself


You say turning back decades of none awareness, isn’t that in the past? It’s happened and there is nothing we can do about it. Just like wars have happened, we cannot go back and change that, however we can learn to progress from that as we know it’s not the way. Why kick yourself, you realized when you slipped back into the unconscious state. "That’s Awareness” it will only grow stronger. The real reason you kick yourself is so the ego has something to complain about or to dwell over, to make you see yourself as a failure. Once you move out of that you succeed, or another way of putting that “You have to fail to succeed”


Also who knows how much of our mind conditioning has been handed down through our reincarnations?


Isn’t that living in the past, the only way is forward is to live in the present moment. Reincarnation is another chance in my opinion, another chance to break free from the collective unconsciousness


Total freedom is living completely in the now and being as you say completely aware, not an easy task.


It’s very easy, living in the past or the future is a lot harder in fact it’s impossible as it’s just an illusion. Awareness is observation in the “Now” that’s how easy it is, a lot easier that trying to remember the past with new beliefs or predict the future with old beliefs.

My thoughts on Freedom; First we need to look at the word freedom, what is freedom.

Freedom, is the idea of being free there will always be something we want to be free from. The Government, Other Religions, Other beliefs, War, Hate, Murder, Fear, Death or just people we don’t like or agree with… The list goes on and once we are free from one thing we will look for another unless we become aware of the ego but then we may be tricked into being free from that thus making the ego a problem. Don’t make ego a personal problem we progress from the ego we evolve from the ego; all we need to do is be aware of it. The ego’s force is a wonderful thing. It brought us this far, and thanks to it, we will also reach our perfection.

In a sense Drakiir is right, Freedom is a fantasy it’s a fantasy of the ego. Bringing up the past and living in the future always looking for that end goal “Freedom” real freedom is Awareness. Although hard to obtain its not impossible, where as living in the past and future is.

Once again take this advice any way you please, if you disagree I’m fine with that. I would rather you question what I have to say than just accept it.

P81



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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Well put. Do you think we can ever be totally free from our mind though? Turning back decades of mind non awarness is not easy is it. Ive done it well for say a day, then the next day something makes me become trapped again in the mind, and then I realize and kick myself.

I completely get what you are saying and that 'what would it be like to reverse the way we think and our thought processes' now that would be a very interesting thing to experience. Its like trying to free yourself from all the 'pre programming' that everyone has had drummed into them ever since they were born in these 'glass cages' where in a way we are trapped but we don't see the glass wall.

I also have tried to totally disconnect from everything around me but there is always something that kicks me back into the system. It took me a long time to learn that the
'system' is inescapable unless we leave for another planet because I think that is the only way out of it.

We cant seem to escape the 'constant loop' of life as it monotonously revolves around us everyday and embeds itself into our everyday lives. Mentally we arent free and physically we arent either, something is always controlling us or keeping us in the box that we desperately want to escape out of which is to further reinforce the fantasy of freedom.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Drakiir
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I also have tried to totally disconnect from everything around me but there is always something that kicks me back into the system. It took me a long time to learn that the
'system' is inescapable unless we leave for another planet because I think that is the only way out of it.



I think as long as we are in this reality there will always be something that holds us back, unless we actually manage to reach the dizzy heights of enlightenment that would show us our true reality in this dimension, there is very little we can do about this. Do you not think to go to another planet say still in this 3D reality we would still be held back by the very nature of our Universe. A planet on another dimension yes this may offer us freedom but then we'd actually have to have the awarness to actually live in that dimension possibly, so unless we were aware we would still most probably not be free.

Sorry does that sound a bit of a meaningless ramble



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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Great question there and its a tough one, I guess it depends on what social structure and system a new planet would hold for its population. I think everyone need to develop a new term for the long used 'free from everything' view promoted by politicians as an excuse to do what they want. I think it needs to be term a fair and just system so that it is equal and fair for everybody.

Id want personally dominion, control and deception completely taken out of the equations so that we still have a system of leadership and even hierarchy but have it so it doesn't become the corrupt place that Terra has and allot of that is to do with money. We have a hierarchy in politics as we all know but the main problem is that it is all corrupt as so many politicians have the weakness for money which is exploited all the time.

Im all for a fair and just system and set of rules for everyone to go by especially if it was on another planet I just wish this planet had exactly that, a fair and just system that wasn't susceptible to corruption.

Great question there and a good brain stimulator too



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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Is not the greatest place to be free in is in ones own self? Ones own being? If we are free in this then what does it matter what is going on around us, who is trying to place rules upon us, if we are truely free within what does it matter?

If I felt truely free within, then I could face any regime or rule system, because I would know it wasnt controlling the real inner me. Once our inner being is free it is free, no one can control it, no matter how hard they try.

No my inner being requires no rules, it requires the freedom to be, this freedom is found beyond, not in any rules system. So no I do not require any rules, they may try to place them on me, but my true spirit will not listen to rules set down by man.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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Thats the biggest hurdle of them all, to not let what negative things go on around us effect us even as our glass cage shrinks around our very eyes. On the outer self mainly in the ever changing social structure, the fair rules are being overthrown by corrupt ones by corrupt people.

I guess inner freedom no one can ever, change alter or touch but outer freedom amongst the chaos and corruption I dont think is realistic let along achievable.

Star for you for and excellent reply





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