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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 07:24 PM by Gregarious
Originally posted by Anti - Government
Yes I agree I don’t really think that the next president should necessarily have to be born in the US OF A why can’t for example they be born in Canada and move to America when they are 3 and still be president

Maybe though that you should have to be living in America for a number of years let’s say 10 - 20 and maybe every candidate will have to take a written and oral test on America before being put forward for nomination aswell "Hey why not get the best guy for the job next time"

also what I would like to see is if a potential candidate makes a promise for example make the drinking age higher and if that doesn’t happen when that particular candidate is elected at some point in their term they are punished for each promise broken

potentially a jail term because it is a pretty important job and if he makes a promise to the whole country and breaks it and practically lied his way into office and should 100% be punished for it also I think Britain needs to adopt Democracy because right now we are stuck with Gordon Brown and he really is not the right guy for the job is he.

So well done America for adopting a right technique (democracy) but it needs to be tweaked slightly to achieve great results e.g. best candidate possible.



[edit on 1-1-2009 by Anti - Government]


The legal requirement for domestic birth did not stop an illegal alien from winning the presidency. And America does not have a democracy, it is a REPUBLIC. If we all voted on every measure by email, it would be democratic. But we elect people we 'trust' (ha!) to make the right decisions, and many of them based on top secret info that would change the popular opinion if known. Things like aliens, stargates, new weapons, covert actions by all involved, etc. Man can NOT govern himself, and this is being proven by the US government.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 07:25 PM by SLAYER69
reply to post by asykicchange



Nope sorry this American likes the law just the way it is
Just my 2 cents


Edit to add

I am looking forward to seeing how many non Americans will chime in with agreeing that non Americans should be allowed to become President of the US of A.

So well done America for adopting a right technique (democracy) but it needs to be tweaked slightly to achieve great results





[edit on 1-1-2009 by SLAYER69]


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 10:58 PM by Major Discrepancy
Originally posted by asykicchange
I'm ready to bet that in this upcoming term(or next) the born in the USA( to be president) law will be changed, and let me say I agree ..


The Major regrets to inform you, that the "law" can't be changed. There can be a
Constitutional Amendment that would alter the requirements for POTUS.

Originally posted by kvaniu
I would like the rules to be The President must be born in the US while the Vice President can be born outside the US but can never run for president.


The Major would like to know the purpose of having a vice president who is incapable of assuming the office of president? Seems to the major that it defeats the purpose of having a vice president.

The Major is now going to take a walk and try to find a teacher, and punch them right in mouth for dereliction of duty.

Dismissed.


[edit on 1-1-2009 by Major Discrepancy]



reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:51 AM by kvaniu
Originally posted by Major Discrepancy
Originally posted by asykicchange
I'm ready to bet that in this upcoming term(or next) the born in the USA( to be president) law will be changed, and let me say I agree ..


The Major regrets to inform you, that the "law" can't be changed. There can be a
Constitutional Amendment that would alter the requirements for POTUS.

Originally posted by kvaniu
I would like the rules to be The President must be born in the US while the Vice President can be born outside the US but can never run for president.


The Major would like to know the purpose of having a vice president who is incapable of assuming the office of president? Seems to the major that it defeats the purpose of having a vice president.

The Major is now going to take a walk and try to find a teacher, and punch them right in mouth for dereliction of duty.

Dismissed.


[edit on 1-1-2009 by Major Discrepancy]


Remeber the Vice President is the President of the Senate; lets let him continue to do that but seperate the job from president a little.

There have been many people in US history who were born in the US that did great things why shouldnt they have the chance. I personally dont care if the person was from mars i'd vote for him.

With the amount of immigration there may be a day when during some generation that there are more citizens born outside of the US then what happens then. I say a very slow gradual change toward any citizen period being able to run.

Lets not forget some of the founding fathers werent born in the
13 colonies/13 states



I have a question for everyone; why is it so important to have a president born in the US, where you could have someone born somewhere else and came over here as a baby they would have the same mentality as anyone else here.


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 10:35 AM by Jenna
Originally posted by kvaniu
Lets not forget some of the founding fathers werent born in the
13 colonies/13 states


Which is why they grandfathered themselves in when writing up the Constitution.


National Archives: Transcript of the Constitution
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


The part I have bolded is where they provided themselves with the grandfather clause. At the time the Constitution was written and signed, there were very few if any who could be considered natural born citizens since the US as a country didn't exist. Citizens yes, natural born no. Hard to be a natural born citizen of a country that doesn't exist. Rather than wait 35 years for the first natural born president they provided themselves and others who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the constitution a way to be president.

I have a question for everyone; why is it so important to have a president born in the US, where you could have someone born somewhere else and came over here as a baby they would have the same mentality as anyone else here.


I would have to disagree with you there. There was a documentary I watched recently that interviewed Asian-Americans who may have been born here, can't remember that detail since it didn't seem particularly important at the time, but their parents had immigrated here from Japan, China, etc. The people they interviewed had absolutely no desire to be an American or to participate in American culture. Instead they wanted to identify themselves as Japanese, Chinese, etc. and have very little to do with Americans in general. These were people that grew up here. Yet they most certainly did not have the same mentality as anyone else here.


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 10:49 AM by kvaniu
Originally posted by Jenna
Originally posted by kvaniu

I have a question for everyone; why is it so important to have a president born in the US, where you could have someone born somewhere else and came over here as a baby they would have the same mentality as anyone else here.


I would have to disagree with you there. There was a documentary I watched recently that interviewed Asian-Americans who may have been born here, can't remember that detail since it didn't seem particularly important at the time, but their parents had immigrated here from Japan, China, etc. The people they interviewed had absolutely no desire to be an American or to participate in American culture. Instead they wanted to identify themselves as Japanese, Chinese, etc. and have very little to do with Americans in general. These were people that grew up here. Yet they most certainly did not have the same mentality as anyone else here.


Okay then what about the millions of people whom emigrated from the UK, Ireland, Germany, the Nederlands, France, etc during the 19th & early 20th century lots of the children became americanized

You could also have a person born in the US who has no interest in the culture what stops them from becoming president. Many people born on border states take more from Mexican and Canadian cultures but that isnt a problem if they turn around an run for president.

Then there comes a question how long and what makes a person choose to what type of culture they want to be apart, I can speak for my self there are things my parents, grandparents and greatgrandparents who are born in the US do that you would never see me do that are apart of the culture.

What exactly is the American culture; you send a person from the middle of Montana to NYC they will not fit in just like sending a person from the big city to the country I can't think of one thing that you could use to describe any majority of the population of America.

There is an American culture persay there are several cultures with in America. Look at how people live and interact with others throughout the different regions of the US


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 11:06 AM by Jenna
reply to post by kvaniu



Yes there are some who immigrate here and adopt our culture, but there are also many who do not. The Constitution was written the way it was to help prevent someone from outside the country coming in and taking over. As I said in my first post, our country has enough problems as it is. We most certainly don't need to change the Constitution to allow any would-be dictator/tyrant that wants to be president the chance. Sorry, but I for one am not willing to change the requirements and end up with a president who only wants to be president of the US to completely destroy the country from the inside rather than risk the lives of another nation's soldiers to do it from the outside. Could that still happen with a president who was born in the US? Sure it could. But I'd be willing to wager it won't.

Moving on, the beauty of American culture is you can't really pin everyone down with the same stereotype. Our culture is made up of many, many, many different things because we are so diverse. I don't see that as a bad thing. And yes a person can go from the middle of Montana to NYC and fit in, it just may take a few months. I went from living on the outskirts of a city to living in the middle of farm country two states away and it was completely different than what I was used to. Yet I managed to adapt just fine. My case was the reverse of your example, but the point is it is possible to move from one type of community to another and fit in.
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