Originally posted by T0by
I'm not all that good with this topic. It needs too much science, and I dont know anything.

And so the power groupings manipulate you. It's worth just picking up a New Scientist or Scientific American once in a while.

But isn't this a bad thing if we're supposedly due for another ice age?

No, we've blown the skiing age. It's surf board city, warmer weather, bigger waves, face it, Australia is now the new enlightenment. It's even worse than the Red v Dead debate, who actually wants to be an Australian?

Lets make this straight, the reason why global warming theorists are focussing on carbon alone, is because of the fact that carbon is the major gas which is released into atmosphere in various forms like di-oxide and monoxide, from vehicles, power stations, our everyday life style releases carbon into the atmosphere. And this can be prevented by going green, and by this, I am not saying you to pay more taxes, just recycle daily things, reduce your electricity consumptions, and travel by cycle or public transport, thats all. There is no politics involved.

Originally posted by peacejet
Lets make this straight, the reason why global warming theorists are focussing on carbon alone, is because of the fact that carbon is the major gas which is released into atmosphere in various forms like di-oxide and monoxide, from vehicles, power stations, our everyday life style releases carbon into the atmosphere. And this can be prevented by going green, and by this, I am not saying you to pay more taxes, just recycle daily things, reduce your electricity consumptions, and travel by cycle or public transport, thats all. There is no politics involved.

Sanity, sanity, Madness. There is, alas politics involved.

You know, you don't have to buy into things like global warming to be in favor of not polluting the environment. By putting faith and reasons like global warming as the reason why pollution is bad, you inadvertently take away from it, and as it proves to be false the cause loses credibility.

I think global warming is a hoax. But I'm not in favor of polluting the environment, nor do I think there is any valid reason for it. I think it should be a crime to pollute the environment, not just regulated which means they will still be able to legally pollute and then it's just a matter of who can pay/bribe the leaders the most to be allowed to do it.

For those who think mankind can have such a huge effect on the globe as a whole, get real. A single volcano eruption does more than man does. The sun makes a small change and suddenly ice records go back up etc.

"Climate Change" happens naturally and always has. The whole global warming scam is just an attempt to make money off it. Can we please get to valid reasons why pollution is bad? It's not like they don't exist.

The problem with green is not that it is yet viable, rather it should have been two decades back, but the oil companies.......

We have big media flourishes too, but no government giving stepping stone prizes. The Nobel lot could even add honour, but science wants to bleat about the rest of societies failings like the established churches rather than get involved. Oh well, when the oil price finally does shoot, even the bishops will see a need to preach about it, their retirements depend upon the energy sector.

By what i have been taught, global warming/climate change is completely real and naturally occurring so maybe were starting to go towards the next ice age.

Which is a good thing i guess because thats the way we survive with climate change. You see if we try to seal the ozone layer (stopping climate change) we actually keep in all the radiation and stuff and the earth basically burns to a crisp (gets real hot) kind of like a tent out in the sun

i'm a bit of a skeptic on both sides of this fence, climate change science seems to make sense -if we have loads of extra carbon in the air the earth will warm up due to the reflection of less active heat which is reflected from the earth and normally reflects into space, this much is undeniable however carbon credits and carbon trading programs seem like a ploy to control the world.

true complex system such as the atmosphere, sun, earth temperate relationship are far too complex for us to understand and model at the moment but that doesn't mean we know nothing, with the melting sea ice it does make sense that due to the currents and sunspot oddness or even the lack of polar precipitation in 08 made theworld extra cold which would make a thin layer of pack ice over a large area - this will most likely all melt when the increased sun spot activity, etc causes 09 to warn up even hotter that 07 was.

people still debate weather the sea level could rise, i can only assume these people don't live on top of limestone rocks like i do which were put down last time the sea levels were much higher.

however does this mean that we're already doomed to die as the world switches off? no, probably not -maybe we'll see a rapid increase in fertile carbon eating forests in areas which have been desert, maybe the higher humidity will cause the rain forests to spread, maybe the atomosphere will do something odd and balance out of its own accord, maybe more carbon will be absorbed by a massive super bloom of sea algie - we don't know.

i just think while we're not really sure we should play it safe, if i didn't know weather or not a gun was loaded i wouldn't point it at my head to find out - then again i wouldn't take it to a gun fight until i had checked either,

personally i have a strange feeling that the amount of heaters pumping hot air into our atmosphere must in some way be connected to the recorded rise in temperature, i seem to remember thermodynamics suggesting that all that heat will just subtly add to the background heat as it dissipates but never dies. That doesn't mean i will be making any long term property investments in the netherlands any time soon though, whatever is causing this it looks as if shares in boating companys are a better bet - the climate does seem to be changing, just the fact that it was the largest change ever recorded is enough of a sign that the old pattern had been broken.