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Canaanite Period (Bronze Age) 3300–1200 BCE
The use of the term Canaanite can be confusing. Archaeologists use it to refer to a long period of time (the entire Bronze Age) and a wide geographical region (ranging from modern Israel to the entire Levant). Thus all of the people in this time and place can be called Canaanites.Philistia,The Philistines(known today as Palestinians) were people who lived in Canaan along the Mediterranean coast at the time the Israelites sought to occupy the land. They were centered in five cities called the Philistine Pentapolis: Ashkelon Ashdod Ekron Gath and Gaza ... and their presence is mentioned in the Bible and Ancient Egyptian texts.
what right does a group a people have to decide over the land of others and further more to build a state there.
Myth #1—The Canaanites were Arabs who already occupied the Land when Jews wandered into Canaan, and that the Jews remained an extreme minority even after the Land was later called Palestine. But their supreme authority, the Qu’ran, proves otherwise.
“We [Allah] settled the Israelites in a secure land [Land of Israel] and provided them with good things.” Qur’an, Sura 10:93, “Jonah”
Myth# 2—The Palestinians are the Philistines that conquered the Land from Israel. Look “Philistines” up in your Bible Dictionary. They temporarily occupied five coastal cities in the south of Israel—a minute portion of the Land. The Philistines sailed from Crete, an isle off of Greece. They did not originate from the Arabian Peninsula. The Philistines were not Arabs.
The Qur’an proves God blessed King David with sovereignty for Israel and David slew the Philistine Goliath and routed the Philistines.
The UN decided they could build a state there and many countries recognized their right to have a state there.
I don't believe the Philistines and Palestinians are the same people. But I will leave that part to somebody else to debate.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Who are the people that truly have the right to the land?
[edit on 1-1-2009 by pepsi78]
Well first, how many countries today have not been created by war and the strong over the weak? That is the nature of the human race.
If you dig deeper you will see that the Brits and French divided up Syria and Iraq into what they are today, and no one is screaming these lands need to be put back as they were.
Lines have been drawn a long time ago, and Israel is as legit as any other country, including America.
it would only be natural for the Palestinians to wage war so they could gain back the land since war makes countries
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by pepsi78
And what current Palestinian population has in common with those people thousands of years ago? Religion - nope. Traditions - nope. Same location - nope. Only name that is used since Britain created British province of Palestine(20th century by the way).During Turkish rule (until their WW1 loss) it was called diferently.
Even Zionism is older be several decades then term Palestinians as refered to Arabic national movement in British province of Palestine.
So even brief history lesson should be correct one.
The name "Palestine" comes, via Greek and Latin, from the Philistines; see History of Palestine
When this vast seaport, the last of the Philistine cities to hold out against Nebuchadnezzar finally fell in 604 BC, burnt and destroyed and its people taken into exile, the Philistine era was over.
The Mamluk dynasty came into power in Egypt in 1250 and the ancient and medieval history of Ashkelon was brought to an end in 1270, when the Mamluk sultan Baybars ordered the citadel and harbour at the site to be destroyed. As a result of this destruction, the site was abandoned by its inhabitants and fell into disuse.
In 950 BCE Ashdod was destroyed during Pharaoh Siamun's conquest of the region. The city was not rebuilt until at least 815 BCE. Around 715 BCE, it was conquered by Sargon II, who destroyed the city and exiled its residents. Jewish inhabitants of Ashdod were resettled in Media after their failed uprising attempt against Assyrian dominance.
After the Siege of Tyre in 332 BCE, Alexander the Great besieged Gaza, the last city to resist his conquest. Gaza, led by a eunuch named Batis and defended by Arab mercenaries, withstood the siege for two months, until it was overcome by storm. The defenders, most local elements, fought to death, and the women and children were taken captive. The city was resettled by neighboring Bedouins.
Gaza was besieged and captured by 'Amr ibn al-'As a Muslim in 637 AD. During the siege, the city's Jewish community fought alongside the Byzantine garrison
ALEXANDER THE GREAT added Palestine to his empire. In 323 BC, PTOLEMY I of Egypt took Palestine into his kingdom.
Byzantines rename the entire geographic area as Palaestina ("Palestine")
The Land of Palestine became part of the Eastern Roman Empire ("Byzantium") after the division of the Roman Empire into east and west (a fitful process that was not finalized until 395 CE).
Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by pepsi78
Or one civilization will conquer the other. All that's left of the Native American struggle is in history books, and one day the palestinian struggle shall have the fate. Sorry.
Originally posted by atoms.2008
GOD Gave Canaan To Israel
This after the Exodus From Slavery In Egypt
Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:
“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.
Jerusalem Webring Homepage - This webring invites whoever believes that Yerushalaym
-Jerusalem- is and must ever be One undivided city under Israeli sovereignity, and that she is the Capital city of the State of Israel. Any website may join, no matter if related to Jerusalem or Israel or not; joining this ring implies full agreement with such statement. Shalom aleichem! Pray for the peace of Jerusalem!
I have willingly hosted some friends' websites:
Jew Girl -- A Secret Prayer - by He'elem: A literary collection of prose/poetry depicting the life of Jerusha (character), from birth to womanhood. Inspired by and dedicated to the memory and life of Ofrah Haza.
The paper described Shoebat as a self-proclaimed “former Islamic terrorist” who said that Islam was a “satanic cult” and who told the crowd how he eventually accepted Jesus into his heart.
However, Shoebat’s claim to have bombed Bank Leumi in Bethlehem is rejected by members of his family who still live in the area, and Bank Leumi says it has no record of such an attack ever taking place.
When he was 16, says Walid Shoebat, he was recruited by a PLO operative by the name of Mahmoud al-Mughrabi to carry out an attack on a branch of Bank Leumi in Bethlehem.
At six in the evening he was supposed to detonate a bomb in the doorway of the bank. But when he saw a group of Arab children playing nearby, he says, his conscience was pricked and he threw the bomb onto the roof of the bank instead, where it exploded causing no fatalities.
This is the story that Shoebat, who converted from Islam to Christianity in 1993 and has lived in the United States since the late 1970s, has told on tours around the US and Europe since 9/11.
However, Shoebat's claim to have bombed Bank Leumi in Bethlehem is rejected by members of his family who still live in the area, and Bank Leumi says it has no record of such an attack ever taking place.
His relatives, members of the Shoebat family, are mystified by the notion of "Walid Shoebat" being an assumed name. And the Walid Shoebat Foundation's working process is less than transparent, with Shoebat's claim that it is registered as a charity in the state of Pennsylvania being denied by the Pennsylvania State Attorney's Office.
Shoebat's claim to have been a terrorist rests on his account of the purported bombing of Bank Leumi. But after checking its files, the bank said it had no record of an attack on its Bethlehem branch anywhere in the relevant 1977-79 period.
Shoebat told The Jerusalem Post that this could be because the bank building was robustly protected with steel and that the attack may have caused little damage.
Asked whether word of the bombing made the news at the time, he said, "I don't know. I didn't read the papers because I was in hiding for the next three days." (In 2004, he had told Britain's Sunday Telegraph: "I was terribly relieved when I heard on the news later that evening that no one had been hurt or killed by my bomb.")
Shoebat could not immediately recall the year, or even the time of year, of the purported bombing when talking to the Post by phone from the US. After wavering, he finally settled for the summer of 1977.
The Sunday Telegraph described Shoebat as a man who "for much of his life... was eager to commit acts of terrorism for the sake of his soul and the Palestinian cause."
In that interview he described how he and his peers were indoctrinated as children "to believe that the fires of hell were an ever-present reality. We were all terrified of burning in hell when we died... The teachers told us that the only way we could certainly avoid that fate was to die in a martyrdom operation - to die for Islam."
But an uncle and a cousin of Shoebat, who still live in Beit Sahur in the Bethlehem area, where Shoebat grew up, said that Shoebat's education was rather mild ideologically, and that religion did not play a dominant role.
The uncle, interviewed at his home, said he remembered little about his nephew, because Walid left for America at the age of 16, and because his American mother always kept a distance from the rest of the family. The uncle and his wife both said firmly that there was no attack on Bank Leumi.
When questioned on this discrepancy, Shoebat was adamant that he did carry out such a bombing, and that his relatives deny it to cover up for another cousin who was with him during the attack and still lives in Bethlehem.
Shoebat evinced no particular surprise that his family could be tracked down simply by asking Beit Sahur locals where they lived, even though his Internet site claims that his is an assumed name……
Originally posted by pepsi78
On the contrary, most of the countries created from wars have gain their lands back, and the people inhabiting the land are the right owners.
Further more if you sustain such things it would only be natural for the Palestinians to wage war so they could gain back the land since war makes countries.It would be a noble cause don't you think? for some people to wage war and win back their land, but no one wants them to have their land back.
Because the two countries agreed, but what happens when the true owner of the land does not agree?
No it's not, North American indians may have complied and it is their choise, but the Palestinians do not have to, it's their right to be there and to do what ever they want with the land.
The matter of the fact is that no one has to agree or reconise Israel, it's not an obligation, as for the sake of good morals if the world was spining like that and since they are willing to die for what is theirs then it would only be in the good spirit to give the people the land back.
This thread was not created to provide laws and so on, it was created to just show who the land lord is and why this war is going on.
It's going on because a bunch of people are frustrated that someone else
is just grabing the land from them.
The state of Israel is a fraud.