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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 05:56 AM by Taikonaut

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Why cant Israel include Gaza in its economy, but let the Palestinians build, produce and travel on their land as they see fit..

There are gas and oil fields worth billions in potential revenue just off the Gazan shoreline that have been legally mandated as belonging to the Palestinians. If a binding economic agreement to lease the extraction rights to Isreal could be forged, it would benefit both sides.

The Palestinian Authority gets the much needed finance to rebuild a self-governed state on a now-blank canvas, and Israel gets local and secure energy reserves that could contribute up to 10% of national demand

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 05:56 AM by alyosha1981

reply to post by ShAuNmAn-X

Agreed, and all in all it is the civillians who suffer and these one's are deffinatly included.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 05:59 AM by eldard

Good call by Israel. The world is/was starting to hate them.

two lines.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:15 AM by Harlequin

news.bbc.co.uk...

Four United Nations observers have been killed in an Israeli air strike on an observation post in south Lebanon.
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said he was "shocked" at the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the post. Israel has expressed "deep regret".

that was 2 years ago

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 07:23 AM by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by Harlequin
The UN pulled there montors OUT after israel bombed them.

Then unmonitors that alloweds Hezbolla to set up rocket launchers right next to them and fire them.

And, surprise, the postion that fireed the rockets was fired "BACK" on.

Those UN are useless.

As before, who will stop the Hamas????

No one wants to go in and make sure the Hamas folllow any truce.

No one wants to do anything to the Hamas when they break the truce.

That is why Israel wants "Nutreal" third parties to monitor the Hamas.

There also need to be some guartentee that someone will stop Iran from supplying and Hamas from using mortars and rockets.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 07:23 AM by ShAuNmAn-X

I agree that the monitors will be in a dangerous situation but the one thing that this brings is hope. If there is hope then there is always a chance for good. This will most certainly be a good thing, but it is up to the two governments, not other nations to make peace.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:09 AM by alyosha1981

reply to post by ShAuNmAn-X

Good call, they do need unbiased monitors that are nor scared to do their jobs and report whatever misgivings are taking place by either country, and those same "monitors" who allowed the rocket posts to fire have as much blood on their hands as the soldiers who fired them, Can't they see what they are doing?(country leaders) don't the civilian lives mean anything to them? or in any case isn't their perspective countries worth saving and making better?

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:42 AM by masonwatcher

But there are monitors in Gaza and the West Bank. The martyr Rachel Corrie was one who witnessed and reported on the demolitions of Palestinian homes. These reports of abuses and crimes against humanity were ignored by the West. Rachel Corrie was killed for her troubles,

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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:46 AM by alyosha1981

That's horrible and i was not aware of her being killed for doing her job! they should be ashamed of themselves, it would appear some sort of security force would also need to be in place as well? if not to protect the monitors but all involved.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:53 AM by Harlequin

reply to post by alyosha1981

they attack foreign navies in international waters , they attack the UN

shame means nothing when they want to further there cause

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 09:58 AM by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by alyosha1981

they attack foreign navies in international waters , they attack the UN

shame means nothing when they want to further there cause

Let’s look at facts, shall we:

Iran, who we all know supplies Hamas with weapons, is sending a boat into a war zone.

It is obvious that the boat will have weapons for Israel's enemy.

Only a fool would allow their enemy to get their weapons resupplied.

You refer to the UN post that allowed Hezbollah terrorists to setup rocket launchers and fire them from right next to them,

After that, big surprise, the location that launched the rocket attacks was "counter" attacked.

If the UN will not do anything to one side of a conflict, yet try to punish the other side, they are useless and to be ignored.

Shame, you must refer to the shame that Hamas should feel launching attacks from schools, civilian homes, around crowds of civilians in hopes that the "COUNTER" attack injures or kills civilians.

Yes, shame on Hamas terrorists that (by their own words) target civilians and get civilians on both sides killed.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 11:07 AM by masonwatcher

reply to post by mrmonsoon

Remember the USS Liberty? And that was nearly covered up; I wonder what else has been suppressed.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 11:09 AM by Taikonaut

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Hamas terrorists that (by their own words) target civilians

Wikipedia: Israeli Defence Forces
National military service is mandatory for Jewish and Druze men and Jewish women over the age of 18

As National Service is part of Isreali culture, what you may call 'civilians' could also be called 'Armed Forces Reservists' by Hamas/Hezbollah and therefore a legitimate mililtary target

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 11:32 AM by Taikonaut

reply to post by masonwatcher

Tom Hurndall also met a similar fate to Rachel Corrie...

Murdered in cold blood by an IDF snipers bullet to the head whilst rescuing Palestinian children from gunfire

Link

In April 2003, the IDF were on a mission in the Gaza border town of Rafah. Hurndall and a group of activists were in the area, having planned to set up a peace tent on one of the nearby roads to blockade IDF tank patrols. At an IDF checkpoint on April 11, the IDF states that it came under fire from Palestinian militants and returned fire, causing Hurndall's group of nine activists to abandon their protest and seek cover. Hurndall then ran out into the street and was shot in the head by an IDF soldier.

His father told a British inquest that, according to ISM and Palestinian witnesses, Hurndall had seen a group of children playing and had noticed that bullets were hitting the ground between them. Several children had run away but some were "paralysed with fear" and Hurndall went to help them. Hurndall's father told the inquest: “Tom went to take one girl out of the line of fire, which he did successfully, but when he went back, as he knelt down [to collect another], he was shot.”

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an IDF press release said that he had "admitted to firing in proximity to an unarmed civilian as a deterrent". Initially the soldier admitted to shooting what he described as a man wearing a uniform of a Palestinian faction and armed with a pistol.

He sure looks like he's wearing a paramilitary uniform...complete with dayglo orange vest

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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 11:44 AM by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by Taikonaut

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Hamas terrorists that (by their own words) target civilians

Wikipedia: Israeli Defence Forces
National military service is mandatory for Jewish and Druze men and Jewish women over the age of 18

As National Service is part of Isreali culture, what you may call 'civilians' could also be called 'Armed Forces Reservists' by Hamas/Hezbollah and therefore a legitimate mililtary target

Your idea might have had a small amount of validity, except for the facts.

Hamas targets women and children-on purpose-by their own words, right from the horses arse, er mouth.

Hamas targets old men and women.

IF, by what you say, it is ok to target Israel children/women/old people......

Then of course, you are saying it is ok for Israel to do the same.
Red Cresant dellivers terrorists and bombs, so they are a ligitimate target too, eh???

So by your words, everyone in Gaza is a ligigdamate target.

This kind of murdering sick mentality is what Hamas uses when it murders civillians.
They, however forget this when they get "counter" attacked.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 11:47 AM by mrmonsoon

reply to post by Taikonaut

By the way, we don't know what he was wearing.

All we see is the pic, which "palliwood" could easily have removed what he was wearing and put vest on, after the fact.

You know, like the dead man getting back up on the stretcher.

You know, like the "dead" children running around and playing.

reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 12:03 PM by Taikonaut