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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 04:29 AM
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Okay, let's look at one of the quatrains I've cited..

4 - 29
The Sun hidden eclipsed by Mercury
Will be placed only second in the sky:
"Of Vulcan Hermes will be made into food,"
"The Sun will be seen pure, glowing red and golden."

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Could the "Sun" mean gold? No, because he describes the "Sun" as being "in the sky". It can't be the actual Sun either, because he says it's hidden, and eclipsed by Mercury. So we have a "Sun" in the sky, but it isn't the actual Sun.

I've interpreted the "Sun" as Apollo, the Greek Sun god. The Apollo capsules were in the sky, so we have a "Sun" that fits the quatrain.

Of course, the planet Mercury is too far away to hide the Sun from our view in an eclipse, unlike our much-closer Moon. So it's not the planet, nor an alchemy symbol, since it too is an object in the sky.

But "Mercury" does fit as the Mercury space capsules, in the sky.

The Mercury space capsule went into a sub-orbital flight. Apollo went into low-Earth orbit, which is slightly higher than sub-orbit. Hence, the Apollo capsule is "hidden" from view, "eclipsed" by the Mercury capsule.

So the first line fits perfectly.

The second line also fits:

Mercury was placed first in the sky (in sub-orbit). The Sun (Apollo) "will be placed only second in the sky" (in low-Earth orbit).


The third line refers to "Hermes". This fits perfectly as Gus Grissom. The alchemy interpretation - which has already failed in the first two lines - is totally silent about Hermes. Because it doesn't fit into an alchemy interpretation.

So just ignore what you can't fit in!!!

Wrong. Everything has to fit in. Hermes can't be ignored. The Sun and Mercury have to fit the description as written.

I hope I've explained my point....




posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by turbonium

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Well researched my friend but I don't believe it for a minute. You can make twist anything to make it look more sinisster and mysterious than it really is. for example in Greek mythology Orion, the son of Poseidon,is murdered a by Diana the goddess of the moon, through the machinations of Apollo.
The constellation in the Apollo badge is Orion. Where did Apollo 11 land?The Sea of Tranquility and who was the god of the seas? Poseidon! Diana is the goddess of the moon and Apollo is another name for the devil. Put it all together and you could say this was a prophetic warning that the devil would kill the next generation of lunar astronauts, who will travel to the moon aboard Orion!


Thanks for the reply.

I agree that the quatrains can be twisted into almost anything, since they are so obscure and cryptic in nature.

But we have to ask ourselves if the quatrains were intended to be stretched and twisted to such lengths as in your example above. If a direct interpretation can't be made, then it's pretty much worthless, imo.

For example - I've interpreted the "Sun" as Apollo, the Greek Sun god. That's it. I don't see how it's valid to interpret the Sun as Apollo, and then find a link to Apollo, to make it into something else entirely unrelated to the "Sun" in the quatrain.

I don't see how your example fits in any of the quatrains I've cited - is it supposed to?


No, the example I made was to show just how easy it is to twist and place out of context Nostrodamus' writings. As you say, maybe they were meant to be used in such a fashion, in which case they could be referring to almost anything as he never wrote them in historical order. A kind of century by century account of history would have been preferable. . . However I have to say, some of his prophecies do strike home pretty hard such as the fire of London quatraine. That one really does give me goose bumps. . .



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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But we have to ask ourselves if the quatrains were intended to be stretched and twisted


There is know need to ask ourselves this, it is obvious they were meant to be stretched and twisted. He lived during a time when people were chomping at the bits to take his head. His ability to write so obscure, possible, made some of his predictions true. But the one thing they did do was make him one of the greatest creative writhers of all time. My opinion only.

Great work on your interpretations. It is nice to see a thread that has been well researched.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Proof we did not go to the moon


www.youtube.com...



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
No, the example I made was to show just how easy it is to twist and place out of context Nostrodamus' writings. As you say, maybe they were meant to be used in such a fashion, in which case they could be referring to almost anything as he never wrote them in historical order. A kind of century by century account of history would have been preferable. . . However I have to say, some of his prophecies do strike home pretty hard such as the fire of London quatraine. That one really does give me goose bumps. . .


Thanks for clarifying that matter.

I'm also rattled by how accurate some of the quatrains are, as well.

Certainly, it would be easier to decipher and interpret the quatrains if Nostradamus had put them in chronological order. Better yet, if he'd noted the exact date of each quatrain!

Of course, we know that he mixed up the dates deliberately, and replaced actual names and places with symbols and anagrams.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by MyXlog
Great interpretations. May I add one more? CAPTURED is also another term for being photographed as in "captured on film"


Thanks. You're correct that "captured on film" is a term for being photographed. However, in its orginal French, he wrote "prins", which means "taken", or "captured", in the physical sense. As well, he wrote "taken/captured and placed...", which confirms he means it in the physical sense.

I appreciate your input, so post if you find something else I didn't consider.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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it boggles my mind that nostradamus' vagaries are still taken seriously



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by Ant4AU
There is know need to ask ourselves this, it is obvious they were meant to be stretched and twisted. He lived during a time when people were chomping at the bits to take his head. His ability to write so obscure, possible, made some of his predictions true. But the one thing they did do was make him one of the greatest creative writhers of all time. My opinion only.

Great work on your interpretations. It is nice to see a thread that has been well researched.


Thanks.

I agree, he wanted them stretched and twisted so the truth only became known after they were fulfilled.

A recent example is the 1999 quatrain, briefly discussed on this thread. Nobody seems to have considered reversing the numbers, which results in 9/11/2001, before it actually happened. Most interpreters took 1999 as the actual year he predicted for the event. I find that odd, since it's well known that he typically transformed specific names and dates into cryptic puzzles.

Yet nobody - afaik - deduced 1999 meant 9/11/2001, beforehand.

[edit on 8-2-2009 by turbonium]

[edit on 8-2-2009 by turbonium]



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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Thanks S&F

Interesting and I believe he was talking about the hoaxed landings.

I also believe that Nostrodamus was part of a group that past some very important knowledge his way. I think his prophecies are mostly his having access to the history books as they were being written.

The vatican has quite the extensive library. They say all books are available to anyone who wishes to see them... certain things are hidden.

Insider trading at its highest and finest level.


Rgds



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Thanks again for all the feedback. It's very much appreciated.

I just want to correct an error I just noticed in my interpretation of Q. 4 - 29...

4 - 29
The Sun hidden eclipsed by Mercury
Will be placed only second in the sky:
"Of Vulcan Hermes will be made into food,"
"The Sun will be seen pure, glowing red and golden."


I meant to say Vulcan was the Roman god of fire, not the Sun god. Sorry for the error. It also makes more sense in my interpretation of the quatrain.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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Why would they fake it?
The motive is the easy part.
First because it's cheaper. Incredibly cheaper. Stupefyingly cheaper.
Second because it allows complete control. Success when they want it, failure when they want it (eg. apollo 13).
Third because tptb are required to create conspiracy. They are not only required, it fits in with their own goals by sowing distrust and confusion.



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by turbonium
4 - 30
"More than eleven times the Moon will not want the Sun,"
Both raised and lowered in degree:
And put so low that one will stitch little gold:
"After famine, plague, the secret will be uncovered."

The first line is simply brilliant. Exceptional.

The "Sun" is Apollo, as before. More than 11 times, the Moon ("will not want") Apollo. That is, more than eleven Apollo missions will not reach the Moon.

There were 17 Apollo missions, which explains "more than 11 times". But Apollo 11 was by far the most famous, (supposedly) putting the first man on the Moon. So Nostradamus chose the number eleven, to emphasize the specific mission recognized as the 'pinnacle of human achievement' - Apollo 11 - was also hoaxed, and did not reach the Moon.

Second line: Apollo never goes higher than Earth orbit, at varying altitudes ("degrees").

Third line: 2 possible interpretations.

"put so low that one" (Apollo I) will never leave Earth at all. Grissom and crew are killed in a fire while testing the capsule on Earth. "Little gold" means little success or good fortune comes to NASA from this one disastrous mission.

Or it may refer to all the Apollo missions, which are "put so low" that "one" (NASA) "will stitch little gold" (will not truly benefit from the hoax).

Fourth line: Nostradamus predicts that the hoax will eventually be revealed
to the world.


[edit on 4-1-2009 by turbonium]


An old post of mine, before I added a '1' to my name.

To:"stitch little gold" - gold stitches are emblems of 'achievement'. So the Apollo craft is "put so low".in Earth orbit is hardly a milestone achievement. .



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 06:14 AM
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Nostradamus said the secret (moon landing hoax) will be 'uncovered' or 'discovered'. Not the same thing as being 'revealed'.

It may be a clue to how it comes to light.

And it's the most logical way for it, I think.

With telescopes.

The secret of a hoax would thus be 'discovered', just as Nostradamus indicated.

It is undeniable evidence. And we'd be able see it for oursleves, right here on Earth.

In the future, as technolgy advances, it looks more and more likely to happen.



posted on Mar, 28 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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OP, thank you for posting this. I found your analysis intriguing. Sad to hear about the plague and famine to come before the truth is reveled. The truth will be revealed though. I hate how people just believe every thing they are told.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 05:01 AM
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Thanks.

"After famine, plague" - surely nothing good.

They've had both AIDS and famine in Africa for years now, but this doesn't really fit. They've had famine a long time before AIDS.

An event of some sort, where both famine and plague are hitting at once?

The area hit could be the same area the hoax is later discovered....

America, perhaps.



posted on Jul, 21 2013 @ 02:00 AM
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I recently sent my interpretations on these quatrains to Nostradamus 'expert' John Hogue, via personal email and his website's comment section.

There was no reply, and my comments were not put on his site.

I've heard he's a bit of a sham. I'm starting to think there's validity to that claim.

Some peope develop an overblown ego, sadly.

I may be wrong about Hogue. Time will tell..



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 03:13 PM
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Turbo---, I think you are wrong. I believe crews did in fact go to the Moon, but just not the poster boys of the Apollo Program. But did they ever come back? This would mean that the public Astronauts never left low Earth, and probably never made it to Orbit. Apollo 13 is the proof of this faking. That capsule dropped out of the sky precisely 1.5 miles dead ahead of the chief recovery vessel in the Fleet. It had to have been dropped by a bomber with a pretty good bomb sight.

So those Astronauts had been collected somewhere and they and their capsule were dropped at the closest possible place to be picked up by the recovery fleet. If it were real, they would have been lucky to hit the Pacific Basin. They went for one hell of a ride, but were plucked up and then it was bombs away, right in front of the carrier leading the recovery fleet. If they had been dropped any closer, they might have been killed by the carrier, itself.

I wandered into the big Apollo 13 press conference at Honolulu Int'l Airport, and photographed a totally black B-25 Mitchell bomber, parked on the other side of the tarmac. It could have flown off of a carrier deck with the Apollo capsule and the three poster boys, still inside. Jimmie Dolittle proved this could be down taking off from a carrier deck's, but no one has ever tried to land a B-25 on one. Oahu had about the only creditable runways to retrieve such a converted bomber.

Much later, a Japanese Lunar photo mission flew directly over Tranquility Base, and OMG, all its cameras stopped working, right at that moment. When's the last time your high priced Japanese camera crapped out right when you had Sasquatch in your view finder?

If I had set this up, those Apollo Astronauts would deny to their dying day, that any of this was faked. But the Van Allen Radiation belts should have claimed a couple of them by now. All of those medical examinations could have covered up Lord knows what brainwashing, before they ever blasted off.

If you are serious about Nostradamus, I have decrypted a good sized piece of his puzzle. Send a private message to me, as my publisher doesn't want this out prematurely. Anyways, I did put some of this into posts here, several years back, to no effect with the membership. Regardless of warnings in his book, both numerology and genealogy are very important here. The Genealogy aspects make it freakin impossible for any Academician like John Hogue to really get anywhere with his blather. But Amateurs like yourself may gain insights inside a brief arc of fulfillments.



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by carpooler
Turbo---, I think you are wrong. I believe crews did in fact go to the Moon, but just not the poster boys of the Apollo Program. But did they ever come back? This would mean that the public Astronauts never left low Earth, and probably never made it to Orbit. Apollo 13 is the proof of this faking. That capsule dropped out of the sky precisely 1.5 miles dead ahead of the chief recovery vessel in the Fleet. It had to have been dropped by a bomber with a pretty good bomb sight.

So those Astronauts had been collected somewhere and they and their capsule were dropped at the closest possible place to be picked up by the recovery fleet. If it were real, they would have been lucky to hit the Pacific Basin. They went for one hell of a ride, but were plucked up and then it was bombs away, right in front of the carrier leading the recovery fleet. If they had been dropped any closer, they might have been killed by the carrier, itself.

I wandered into the big Apollo 13 press conference at Honolulu Int'l Airport, and photographed a totally black B-25 Mitchell bomber, parked on the other side of the tarmac. It could have flown off of a carrier deck with the Apollo capsule and the three poster boys, still inside. Jimmie Dolittle proved this could be down taking off from a carrier deck's, but no one has ever tried to land a B-25 on one. Oahu had about the only creditable runways to retrieve such a converted bomber.

Much later, a Japanese Lunar photo mission flew directly over Tranquility Base, and OMG, all its cameras stopped working, right at that moment. When's the last time your high priced Japanese camera crapped out right when you had Sasquatch in your view finder?

If I had set this up, those Apollo Astronauts would deny to their dying day, that any of this was faked. But the Van Allen Radiation belts should have claimed a couple of them by now. All of those medical examinations could have covered up Lord knows what brainwashing, before they ever blasted off.

If you are serious about Nostradamus, I have decrypted a good sized piece of his puzzle. Send a private message to me, as my publisher doesn't want this out prematurely. Anyways, I did put some of this into posts here, several years back, to no effect with the membership. Regardless of warnings in his book, both numerology and genealogy are very important here. The Genealogy aspects make it freakin impossible for any Academician like John Hogue to really get anywhere with his blather. But Amateurs like yourself may gain insights inside a brief arc of fulfillments.


I don't think anybody has ever flown to the moon, even on a one-way ticket. But that isn't the main point here.

The issue is specifically what Nostradamus is saying in these quatrains. Do you have any opinion on my interpretations themselves?

The only way I see these quatrains make sense is Apollo being a hoax. In that scenario, they match up perfectly.



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by turbonium
Okay, let's look at one of the quatrains I've cited..

4 - 29
The Sun hidden eclipsed by Mercury
Will be placed only second in the sky:
"Of Vulcan Hermes will be made into food,"
"The Sun will be seen pure, glowing red and golden."

.

Could the "Sun" mean gold? No, because he describes the "Sun" as being "in the sky". It can't be the actual Sun either, because he says it's hidden, and eclipsed by Mercury. So we have a "Sun" in the sky, but it isn't the actual Sun.

I've interpreted the "Sun" as Apollo, the Greek Sun god. The Apollo capsules were in the sky, so we have a "Sun" that fits the quatrain.

Of course, the planet Mercury is too far away to hide the Sun from our view in an eclipse, unlike our much-closer Moon. So it's not the planet, nor an alchemy symbol, since it too is an object in the sky.

But "Mercury" does fit as the Mercury space capsules, in the sky.

The Mercury space capsule went into a sub-orbital flight. Apollo went into low-Earth orbit, which is slightly higher than sub-orbit. Hence, the Apollo capsule is "hidden" from view, "eclipsed" by the Mercury capsule.

So the first line fits perfectly.

The second line also fits:

Mercury was placed first in the sky (in sub-orbit). The Sun (Apollo) "will be placed only second in the sky" (in low-Earth orbit).


The third line refers to "Hermes". This fits perfectly as Gus Grissom. The alchemy interpretation - which has already failed in the first two lines - is totally silent about Hermes. Because it doesn't fit into an alchemy interpretation.

So just ignore what you can't fit in!!!

Wrong. Everything has to fit in. Hermes can't be ignored. The Sun and Mercury have to fit the description as written.

I hope I've explained my point....


- i m enjoying very much your way of interpreting, Turbo
great read

...was pondering; what if "Hermes was made into food" is describing how " the whole réason of the hoax was, that humanity would get a different way of looking at the cosmos" , which is in fact a Lie, another kind of Consciousness - and it is Hermes' [ Thoths] consciousness ? which is a different kind of "spiritual food" as the christian creational vieuw onto things

- consequently, the "sun which is red and golden" could be ' the inner earth sun ' - not as in some hollow earth theory, but the spiritual sun in earth, the same one the egyptian deities [ see above] had between their horns: since the very cónsciousness of letting humanity to look to the cosmos like this, is a concept out of the Underworld, itself

alternatively, the first "Sun" may point to God, or, in broader sense, "the christian vieuw on the world [ and cosmos] " ,
since that became indeed "hidden by Mercury " [ = thoth]
that vieuw had to change, because an endless , cold, unpersonal cosmos can have no place for a Heaven anymore
...which was exact the deepest reason for the moonlanding hoax

regards
edit on 26-7-2013 by Lone12 because: modified the rambling a bit
edit on 26-7-2013 by Lone12 because: see above grin



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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Wow, I never saw it like this. I can tell you put a great deal of thought into this. Have you found other passages in the quatrains that might be mus-interpreted or reveal cover ups?









 
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