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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 06:50 PM by Taikonaut
reply to post by masonwatcher


Anyone who calls criticism of Israels military/political actions in Gaza and beyond as 'anti-semitic' can only be labelled one thing...

Anti-Semantic

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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 07:01 PM by scottsquared
reply to post by masonwatcher


First of all, buy a freaking dictionary.

Second, try the spell check function integral to this site.

Third, try reading "news" from more sources then:
al-Ayyam
Filasteen al-Muslimah
al-Hayat al-Jadida
al-Karmel
al-Manar
al-Massar
al-Quds

Here are opposing "news" organizations:
Akhbar-al-Naqab
Fasl al-Maqal
Kul al-Arab
Panorama
al-Sabar
Sawt al-Haqq wal-Hurriya
as-Sennara
Yafa News
Challenge (Eng)
Ha'aretz (Heb)
Ha'aretz (Eng)
Jerusalem Post (Eng)
Jerusalem Report (Eng)
Yedioth Ahronot - Ynet (Heb)
Yedioth Ahronot - Ynet (Eng)

I have indeed read and re-read dozens of your posts, you are a racist Jew hater. I too would like to understand why.

Didn't your parents hug you as a child? Weren't you worthy of at least a little love?


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 07:07 PM by masonwatcher
Originally posted by scottsquared
reply to post by masonwatcher


First of all, buy a freaking dictionary.

Second, try the spell check function integral to this site.

Third, try reading "news" from more sources then:
al-Ayyam
Filasteen al-Muslimah
al-Hayat al-Jadida
al-Karmel
al-Manar
al-Massar
al-Quds

Here are opposing "news" organizations:
Akhbar-al-Naqab
Fasl al-Maqal
Kul al-Arab
Panorama
al-Sabar
Sawt al-Haqq wal-Hurriya
as-Sennara
Yafa News
Challenge (Eng)
Ha'aretz (Heb)
Ha'aretz (Eng)
Jerusalem Post (Eng)
Jerusalem Report (Eng)
Yedioth Ahronot - Ynet (Heb)
Yedioth Ahronot - Ynet (Eng)

I have indeed read and re-read dozens of your posts, you are a racist Jew hater. I too would like to understand why.

Didn't your parents hug you as a child? Weren't you worthy of at least a little love?




Personal abuse, eh? What do you think about rabbis sanctifying the slaughter of Gazans?



reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 07:24 PM by scottsquared
reply to post by masonwatcher


No religious leader should sanctify the purposeful killing of any person regardless of his/her crimes or alleged crimes.

A moral/ethical system is just that, there are no compromises in ethics.


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 07:50 PM by masonwatcher
reply to post by scottsquared


We agree on that point, but unfortunately zionists will call you an anti-Semite for stating it in the context of four rabbis announcing the sanctity of the Israeli military assault on Gaza.

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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 08:06 PM by DantesLost
dooper


Where, exactly, and I urge you to quote me, did I state that the Japanese were bombing American cities, and that is why we reciprocated? Where?


You didn't,that is why i asked the question.
You said Israel bombing Gaza was tit for tat,and likened it to Britain bombing Germany and America bombing Japan.
Which is why I asked,when did Japan bomb US soil on such a systematic basis that you had to retaliate in they way that you did against Japanese civilians?
Meaning,they didn't,so the bombing of Japanese cities wasn't tit for tat.


And you're wrong about Allah.


Allah is derived from 2 Arabic words,al and ilah.Al means the and ilah means god.Meaning Allah is the one and only god.Kinda like saying,I am.

Many Muslims argue this because of the 'complications' in pre-Islamic history.Plus,the feminine version of the word is Al Lat which means The Goddess.Islam,like Judaism and Christianity cannot accept or make allowance for a female deity.So some have tried to change the meaning of the word.

The Most Beautiful Names of Allah.
www.sufism.org...




TARBOX


Why do you hate the Jews so much? Did they have a family member killed, hurt or something? Any chance you get, you have to post about Israel or the Jews in a negative way.


So if you persistantly question Israel you must hate Jews?

Ever wonder why you have to persist in it?

Because people do not listen.

You only have to look at threads like this to see that.Even with you give evidence to your argument you get nowhere,people just stop debating with you.

Some Jews rely on the anti-semitic argument because they can silence people who talk too loud about things they would rather keep secret.



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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 08:07 PM by TARBOX
masonwatcher:
I have been cordial to you, and have called you not one (1) single name. But yet you call everyone who has a different opinion of you Anti-semetic or a Zionist.

Just so we are on the same page, I am going to give you the meaning of the word........"Anti-Semetic"

Anti-semetic is a term used to refer to someone who is bigoted against people of Semetic heritage. Most often it is used in American culture to refer to those who are bigoted against people known as Jews. Here is the definition from Wikipedia: Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is discrimination, hostility or prejudice directed at Jews[1] as a religious, racial, or ethnic group.


Or... maybe you meant to call me Anti-semantic


Someone or something that is against meaning. To not be logical. Lacking the ability to make something meaningful.


I'm pretty sure that I am not "Anti-Semetic" because I hate no one. But I have been know to be Anti semantic.

However, and this is not a cheap shot or anything, but your posts and how you talk about the Zionist, Jews, and people that don't agree with you sums you up pretty good as Anti-Semetic

All I did was ask you a simple question and you have to use name calling and personally attack me.

So I guess the question I should ask you is:
Why don't you ask the Palestinians why they hate the Zionists? Because it is a two way street. Both are wrong...and people are dying because of it.

And fineally, I dont agree with the Israeli Rabbis sanctifying the slaughter of Palestinians.

I have nothing against you masonwatcher, I was just asking you a question.


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 08:13 PM by dooper
reply to post by DantesLost

You absolutely ignore very teachings of Islam! Of Allah himself!

Allah is the name of the Islamic Ilah. I gave you samples of the verses, and you want to use a vague, secular, definition!

Allah himself, if he is the author if the Qur'an - said multiple times, that his name was Allah!

How much willful blindness can a person have?

Any other neutral, sane, rational, prudent person can read those words and understand very clearly that they mean.

The reason none of the Muslims like this, is because that is one glowing flaw in their teachings. The NAMES of the gods don't match up!

You go right ahead. But don't tell people who may be unknowing this line of crap. Just like Muhammed, the lies justify everything.



reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 08:54 PM by masonwatcher
reply to post by TARBOX



I think your query is rather odd. I was operating under the idea that I am pro-Semite. Aren't the Palestinian Semites? They speak a Semitic language and are descendants of the ancients.

Perhaps in the zionist world, where up is down and down is up, your long winded definitions and conclusions make sense to you. Maybe to you Palestinians are non-entities and don't actually exist; who knows?

From my understanding of Israeli history, it did not exist before 1948. Even its citizens were shipped in from Europe. How are these Europeans more Semite than the indigenous populations they displaced? Even the language they speak today, Hebrew, was a dead language only used by theologians. The immigrants on those ships that arrived in Palestine only spoke various Eastern European languages and Yiddish but no Hebrew.

So with regards to the above, who are the anti-Semites? Anti-zionists and Palestinians or zionists and the Israeli war machine?

Judaism and other religions have nothing to do with the Palestinian struggle for freedom. The only reason the 'Jewhater' accusations are thrown around is because it makes a direct link to the Holocaust, gas chambers, genocide into the equation. This is to solicit sympathy, allow for zionist brutality, shut down free speech and terminate debate.

The term 'Jewhater' is a term of abuse and baiting and designed to activate hostility by others who happen to be bystanders. It can be used against anti-zionists, peace activists, Palestinians (alive and dying) and any scrutineers from the UN or other human rights orgs.

Ironically, zionists have formed links with neonazis and fascists in the UK and Europe. In fact there is a thriving nazi movement in Israel. Neonazi groups regularly assault Arab Jews and migrant workers. I would classify fascists of all stripes as anti-Semites.


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:02 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by dooper



Allah is the name of the Islamic Ilah. I gave you samples of the verses, and you want to use a vague, secular, definition!


By telling you what the Arabic words mean? Thats vague? The language of the Koran?


Allah himself, if he is the author if the Qur'an - said multiple times, that his name was Allah!


And his prophet Mohammad knew of his names,and he used them and encouraged his followers to use them.

"Verily,there are Ninety-nine names of Allah,one hundred minus one. He who enumerates them would get into Paradise."
Sahih Muslim.Vol. 4.

Say: "Invoke Allah, or invoke the Most Gracious:by whichever name you invoke Him, He is always the One -- for His are all the attributes of perfection."
Al Isra 17:110.

Allah's names are divided into two major categories:the Names of Essence (ath-that) such as Allah and ar-Rahmain;and the Names of Qualities (as-sifat) such as ar-Rahim and al-bar ('Azza wa Jall).The names also can be divided into the Names of Mercy or Beauty (jamal);and the Names of Rigor or Majesty (jalal).



Any other neutral, sane, rational, prudent person can read those words and understand very clearly that they mean.


Are ya'see,I'm neither sane nor rational.And I have a headshrinkers certificate to prove it.



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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:09 PM by scottsquared
reply to post by masonwatcher


So......"Palestinians" are legitimate heirs to "Palestine" and Israelis are illegitimate heirs to Israel. Or is it that Israelites are legitimate heirs to Israel and Palestinians are illegitimate heirs to Palestine? Or is it Israel is Palestinian is Holy Freaking nonsense.

Just who's bible do you prescribe to? Pick one. Any one. Then try being consistent to it and can the cherry-picking from whatever fits your convoluted logic.

Maybe your tin-foil Templar helmet is just a little too tight.


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:43 PM by TARBOX
Originally posted by masonwatcher

I think your query is rather odd. I was operating under the idea that I am pro-Semite. Aren't the Palestinian Semites? They speak a Semitic language and are descendants of the ancients.


Yes masonwatcher, but the definition states that:

hostility or prejudice directed at Jews[1] as a religious, racial, or ethnic group.

Jews--- is the primary word there and since you on more than one occasion used "Jews" in place of "Zionists", is where I was going with my thought.


Perhaps in the Zionist world, where up is down and down is up, your long winded definitions and conclusions make sense to you. Maybe to you Palestinians are non-entities and don't actually exist; who knows?


I don't have long winded definitions and yes, I do care about what is going on there. But as I stated, they both are to blame. I don't approve of any of their actions. I can't control what either government does. It is just sad for all civilians involved. All of them....Gaza, Israel, and any where else where innocent people are killed.


The term 'Jew-hater' is a term of abuse and baiting and designed to activate hostility by others who happen to be bystanders. It can be used against anti-Zionists, peace activists, Palestinians (alive and dying) and any scrutineers from the UN or other human rights orgs.


I personally didn't call you a "Jew-hater". I only asked you because just about every thread you start, or post to, has something negative to say about either Zionists or Jews. I am a curious person and that is why I asked you. It was not to be spiteful or put you down. It is just the way you word things sometimes that make me inquisitive. Supplementing "Jews" for "Zionist" is where I had the question.



So with regards to the above, who are the anti-Semites? Anti-zionists and Palestinians or zionists and the Israeli war machine?

All of them.....They all hate each other which is very sad. Nothing good ever comes out of hatred.

So again, sorry you misinterpreted my question. Thanks for your last post. I understand a little better.....


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 09:56 PM by dooper
reply to post by DantesLost

Dante, you obviously have a lot to lose if the truth is known. All Islam is bogus if the truth is known.

According to the Qur'an, Allah claims to have led men astray, to have lied to them, to have devised plots and schemes, to have dissolved his vows. That means, he lied. You should read your own scriptures if you find any of this offensive.

It is offensive. Yet such is the behavior of this ilah Allah.

Allah isn't God, much less the God of all people. YAHWEH is the one, the only, the original. Allah was a rock idol, one of many in Mecca.

Allah wasn't even Muhammed's first god. That honor goes to Ar-Rahman, the Hanif rock idol. The character attributed to Allah by Muhammed in the Qur'an is the perfect

Sent by mistake. Will continue.


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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 10:10 PM by dooper
reply to post by dooper


The character attributed to Allah in the Qur'an is the perfect match for the character of Muhammed in the Hadith. In other words, Muhammed made Allah in his own image. And that image is evil.

Actually the character attributed to Allah in the Qur'an is a perfect match for Lucifer, or Satan in the Bible. Muhammed was accused by his contemporaries several times of being delusional and possessed. Even Muhammed himself admitted to being possessed.

Muhammed even admitted that words he had claimed to be from Allah were in fact from Satan. Which would explain the similarities between Muhammed, Allah, and Satan. One inspiring the other, claiming to be another.

Muhammed's second Ilah, or God was named Allah. Muhammed switched from the generic title Lord to the name Ar-Rahman, a Yeminite Hanif idol, after the 20th Surah CHRONOLOGICALLY.

Ar-Rahman became Allah only after the Satanic verses. In fact the last Surah before the Satanic verses, is called Ar-Rahman.

The Islamic Ilah is Allah. So either you are wrong, Allah is wrong, or you are both wrong. Allah is a name. Ilah is a word.



reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 07:44 AM by mrmonsoon
Originally posted by masonwatcher reply to post by scottsquared
We agree on that point, but unfortunately zionists will call you an anti-Semite for stating it in the context of four rabbis announcing the sanctity of the Israeli military assault on Gaza. [edit on 073131p://pm3136 by masonwatcher]


Again with the lies, mason.

You were warned over your lie of the news title.

You were warned over knowingly lying on the boards.

From "YOUR" own link, it is "NOT" what they said.

The truth is, the rabbi's understand that when there Hamas terrorists attack, it is ok to counter attack.

Since Hamas terrorists hide behind civilians, it is understood as the terrorists are counter attacked, civilians will be hurt.

It is sad, but understandable and the full fault of the Hamas.


Read your own links.


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 08:34 AM by DantesLost
reply to post by dooper


I see that you have been reading from the prophetofdoom.net site.And quoting it without giving credit to it.

According to the Qur'an, Allah claims to have led men astray, to have deceived men, to have deployed plots and schemes, to have dissolved his vows. That means he lied. Once again, you need to read your own scriptures.


This,and the describing of Allah/Ar-Rahman as rock idols can be found here,prophetofdoom.net... under the heading,"Also, saying Allah lied is the lowest a human being can get. Haven't you known that Allah is the God of all with different names for many people? again you show no respect."

Are you aware that Ar-Rahman is the Arabic version of the Jewish word Rahmana,which was a name for god in the Talmudic period? Probably not.

Now,as much as Muslims like to claim,the Qur'an has been changed and the meaning of some words have been lost in translation.Many also misunderstand the context of some words.Throughout the Qur'an the word Ilah is used to describe the god(s) of non_Muslims,and the word Allah is used to describe the god of the Muslims.


Actually the character attributed to Allah in the Qur'an is a perfect match for Lucifer, or Satan in the Bible.


Actually he behaves in the same manner as God in the Old testament.


Ar-Rahman became Allah only after the Satanic verses. In fact the last Surah before the Satanic verses, is called Ar-Rahman.


Yeah,Ar-Rahman is one of the 99 beautiful names.

I'm glad you mentioned the Satanic Verses,they prove my point about the word Allah.

‘Have you,then, seen Al-Lat and Al-Uzza? And Manat,the third one, the other? These are exalted females (sublime ones),Mounting nearer and nearer to Allah,And truly their intercession may be expected.


Right here is Mohammad excepting female gods,one who is Al-Lat,the One and Only Goddess.Now,did Mohammad change his mind and claim the message came from the Devil in disguise,or was it changed at a later date by those who couldn't except the idea of other gods,especially gods that were female?


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