Divorce Papers Found-Obama Sr./ Ann Dunham says Obama Jr. born in Kenya

In many ways I hope that this divorce decree never does get revealed to the public.

While I did not vote for nor support Obama, with all the controversy already being raised, like the Norman Hsu fraud and the Blagojevich mess, if real evidence came to light that Obama IS a fraud, not being eligible to be president, well the Democratic Party will look worse than the Republican Party even with all the damage Bush has done to it.

How many years do you think it would take for the Democratic Party to ever be trusted again should indisputable evidence come forth?

Of course, a lack of trust for both the Democratic and Republican Parties may be a blessing. It would open the door for third party candidates to be taken seriously.


Edit to correct minor typo

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Originally posted by skoalman88



Both are legal proof of birth whether you like it or not. Both are legal forms of proof where you were born whether you like it or not.




I dont understand the issue? Thats cute. Let me put it this way, even if Obama wasnt born in the us he is still eligible to be president of the US. Why? Because of the very same law that made McCain eligible

Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens

click here for more details on why both are eligible



I know what standing means, dont accuse me of not knowing. The cases were dismissed as you said because the people had no legal standing. in this case the reason they had no standing to sue is becuase they had no real evidence. No evidence no legal standing and your case gets thrown out. heresay is not admissable in a court of law. Thus they had no legal standing.....




For the record I am a registered independet, but that is a nice attempt with your politics there. Unfortunatley I am not "right or left" That said, It is not fact that all people who disagree with you are "Sheep" or that all people who voted for obama only did so because the MSM told them too. It is not fact that all people who voted for Obama have the exact same political belief. You have the nerve to imply im a liar right after you claim that all that is fact? geesh, It is not fact that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong just because they disagree with you. get over your self buddy. You arent god.




That is not the only evidence I have provided

click here for more details on why both are eligible

that said, where is your evidence? You havent provided any... all I have seen as far as evidence that he wasnt born here is here say....which is not admissable in a court of law hence the no legal standing.... Got any real evidnence to back up your claim? Ive provided plenty. when are you? Ive done my job, now its your turn.




Your right, we dont need them. the proof is already out there. Just do your research. As been said, the only reason we might end up needing their help is because a small group of people refuse to acknowledge the proof.

The proof is there. We dont have to go to the supreme court, its up to you. Accept the truth or encourage the wasting of tax payer money to prove something that has already been prooved and that really wouldnt matter anyway considering that law....

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I find it pretty amazing that a certificate of live birth is enough proof to become POTUS when it's not even enough proof to open a bank account

You do under stand that the law doesnt change depending on what type of site it is quoted on yes?

By the way, did you look at the link? It was a link that prooved McCain and be president. Obama just happens to fit into the same law. It had no mention of Obama what so ever.

The law doesnt change just becuase it is quoted on certain websites.

Factchecker has always been non biased as far as I have seen by the way, ive seen them catch Obama in lies, Ive seen them catch McCain in lies, Ive seen the speak the truth no matter if they are repub or dem.

the law is the law, and the law that makes McCain legal to serve also makes Obama legal to serve even no matter if he was born in the US or not.



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This has certainly taken a turn toward the absurd. Factcheck is in bed with Obama (see my post on page 4). Not having standing is not the same as lacking evidence. I could have all the evidence I want that a bank was robbed but I can't sue the robbers, the bank would have to. Nothing in this issue is hearsay except that a certification of live birth is the same as a birth certificate. People who mindlessly believe what they are told are sheep regardless of who they vote for. I never said those who voted for him have the same political belief you created that. No more evidence than the fact that he refuses to produce a birth certificate is necessary. However, the fact that he spent money to prevent the release of it, had ALL of his school records sealed, and has his people accuse those demanding a birth certificate of smearing him is ample evidence. What truth am I supposed to accept? That a guy did what I just described or that the uninformed are placing the wrong value on a document.

I agree the law is the law which is why Obama should produce a birth certificate.

Some research about Factcheck.org you should have conducted



[edit on 1-1-2009 by skoalman88]

Except that there is no LAW that made McCain "legal" to serve, it was a non-binding Senate resolution that pronounced him eligible.

You need to stop accusing me of not doing research, that is so rude. I know of all the things said about fact check. Dont accuse people of things when you have no grounds to accuse them on.

Like I told some one else. the law is the law regardless of what website quotes it. Period the end. THE LAW IS THE LAW AND THE LAW THAT MAKES MCCAIN ELIGIBLE TO SERVE IS THE SAME LAW THAT MAKES OBAMA ELIGIBLE NO MATTER IF HE WAS BORN HERE OR NOT.

PERIOD.

it makes no difference if factchecker quoted the law . THE LAW IS THE LAW. whether you like it or not.

I have provided proof that he can serve. Yoou have provided heresay that he cant. Here say is not admissable in court. Fortunaley for me, the law is....If you want to provide some evidence other than here say please go ahead. it will only help your case.

I recognise your attempt at trying to hurt my case by attempting to discredit me, but unfortunatley the law is the law.

besides, providing some real evidence to support your case would hurt mine far worse than attempting to discredit the website that quoted the law.

sigh...




You guys are just impossible. You are denying the truth which is right on front of you. I knew ( and stated) it would be pointless to try but I did anyway.

I have provided proof that contradicts what you all claim. Obama is okay to serve whether he was born here or not.

Im sorry if you dont want him as your president (for what its worth I voted for someone else) but the fact is HE IS YOUR PRESIDENT.

I promise you(unfortunatley my promise no doubt means nothng to you) that if he was unable to serve that would have been revealed long ago.

I tried my best to instill some sense into this thread unfortunatley I failed miserably.Thats why I usually avoid the political threads. people (no matter who they support) almost always refuse to buge when it comes to political beliefs. Its just too much of a head ache and is pointless.

see you guys around the threads

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That is debatable. That is why a resolution declaring him a natural citizen happend. Keep up.

Every time I come to a thread like this, I ask the same couple of questions. For some reason, everyone is sooo busy hating Obama to address them.

I need to know just what the train of thought is here that says that the candidates that ran against Obama and TPTB just did not bother to use their resources and money to uncover the truth of this. Why does anyone believe that a radio DJ and an internet station are going to find a truth that the people with far more motive and resources could not or did not care to? Anyone?

Sigh....

from your source which you didn't quite quote completely



except they read more into what the state dept says than what is actually at the link if you follow it

Source

I think we can all agree that this is the section that would have applied to McCain

Why did Congress change the wording only 5 years later? was that to ensure that there IS a difference between a Statutory Natural Citizen and a Natural-Born Citizen? Hmmmm????

Maybe that is why the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 clearly says at the top of page 9



Hence the need for a non-binding Senate resolution just to declare McCain eligible to run.

Now that that is covered, let's wait till friday to see if the Divorce papers actually manifest and go from there, shall we?

they're going to make this a big issue.
it's going to be shown that he is illegitimately becoming president.

you think they picked a guy to be president that was born in a different country on purpose?

americans supporting him will be outraged that he is illigitimate..
and will DEMAND that he be allowed to be president.

the powers that be will say.. "well gosh .. oookaaay if you saaay so.."
all the while winking and nudging each other.. high fives all around .

then they'll get the popular vote to change that issue and allow people born in other countries to be president.

now the path is clear for Arnold to come in in 2012.




watch it happen.

JUST like that.

Ex-CIA Director , vice pres and pres, Bush Senior doesn't talk about Arnold being president for nothing.


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what does this rhetoric have to do with the op?this is about where the man was hatched. nothing else.
you know, the evidence in this case keeps mounting,not going away
AS AN AMERICAN ,YOU SHOULD DEMAND PROOF.
you know it's funny. you want to throw it all away. and then people that feel the way i do,about defending the constitution, might wind up in a camp or dead.
i don't know how old you are,but in my almost 60 years,my rights have dissolved to a point ,probably.beyond repair.
this would be the wost time in history to srrew it up.

ever think that barak wont pass the test,and they gave him biden ,as vp,because they knew barry would be elected. biden ,who they know couldn't get the potus if he was endorsed by the lord,rides his coattails into the presidency
wouldn't it be great if they just used the pretty boy?
maybe we can't see the trees for the forest ?

reply to post by neformore

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Yes, that is the law as it stands TODAY. But the law that was in effect in 1961, when Obama was born, is the one that dictates the situation. Unless you find a specific notation that a law has retroactive properties.

For example:


source

The effective law is found under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, the act in effect at the time of Barack Obama's birth, the following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:


source

This proviso in this act does not apply to Barack Obama, because his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, was not yet 19 years of age at the time of his birth.

Edit to add pertinent law and source

[edit on 1/1/09 by redhatty]

[edit on 1-1-2009 by Spectre0o0]

[edit on 1/1/09 by neformore]

except that, Obama was not born out of wedlock, so this provision would not be applicable


§ 1408. Nationals but not citizens of the United States at birth

does not apply. Stanley Ann Dunham was a citizen, not just a national

§ 1409. Children born out of wedlock

again, does not apply. Stanley Ann Dunham was married to Barack Hussein Obama Sr

Sorry

No prob, I'm only human too & I make mistakes also

According to *cough* wikipedia they were married on February 2, 1961 in Maui, Hawaiʻi