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posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Theres a long list of relevant questions about Bush that could be connected to over 4000 troops dead, over a trillion dollars wasted, his dealings with the Bin Ladens in the past.... yep... there are plenty of relevant questions that side... and yet folks here prefer to make up questions regarding Obama....

We have bigger issues and yet folks appear to cater only to their partisan BS.




posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by southern_Guardian
I love it when folk come out with these posts



Really? If not for the fact that you seem so fond of your own opinions it wouldn't surprise me if after they ever approve same sex marriage, you are the first in line arguing your equal rights have been violated not being able to marry yourself.

Or,, it could be that you are just a masochist wanting to soak up so much of the fermented fruit of the humble pie I will serve you like some kind of emotional tampon because I have looked at the Obama arguments and as sure as I know I am sitting here sharing a seat with my butt, you will lose this one.

Now, I know you are sitting there, where you are, high fiving yourself in some disturbing act of self congratulatory release while the sounds of your own thoughts are playing like a medieval love song like some gothic pianist masturbating his cerebral piano effecting some bio chemical quasi spiritual epiphany in an almost autoerotic crescendo reaching Richter scale intensity.

Albeit true, all that I have just said seems a little over the top as an average response to one silly little opening quote but I am not responding to just anyone, I am responding to (drum roll) Southern Guardian who starts his post using numerous logical fallacies that I will not only exploit but explain as I run into them.

Why would I even THINK I can argue with southern_guardian!

So many have given so much praise for his ability to destroy arguments with his superior critical thinking skills. Well,, Ill tell you why, I think you are so deserving of a lesson that should, if not for your own denial, leave you choking on the dust of your own regrets, the lesson that for posts like yours so rife with condescending overtones of your assumed superior grasp of not only this topic, but us Lilliputian obama detractors.
I save my best for someone like you.

Not that they require my most articulate expressions of logic in an expanded latitude of creative license but simply that it is poetic justice the quality of humility be pushed over the cliff in humorous humiliation because as much as you like the folks that come out with posts like mine,,

I love it when people like YOU,,,

Take the bait.

No southern, I am not hiding behind sarcasm but thanks for showing us the fallacious supposition or logical fallacy that goes:

Complex question / Fallacy of interrogation / Fallacy of presupposition, The question presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not even been asked, much less answered.

you just are just loving the red herring for derailment on the morality about abortion argument or am I mistaken?

Do you know how off topic this would get? If no one else minds, the thread seems to have played itself out so begging the mods permission, Ill try to make this as worthy of your attention if not your stinging reprisal.

I do have one caveat albeit not very enforceable by me but If this is a bait ploy to get me to put a lot of work into a a post just to have it removed for being off topic, I would only hope you get hit for political baiting also southern_guard.

So without further delay and thanking the Mods in advance for the extended courtesy, Ill be starting with your first jab with all that other "stuff" you wrote that comes after,,
Shall we dance girlfriend? Ill lead, as your first sonata was out of key, all left feet and off the beat.

EXAMPLE: The ad-hoc presumptuous idea my opinion on abortion has anything to do with babies, babies born, alive, outside of the womb or that I don't know the difference between a fetus and a survivor of a failed abortion where the result was,,

Ooops!
A Baby American is out side of the womb and struggling for life!

The following is an explanation and not an argument so having survived the unimaginable prospect of being discarded by its own mother, the majority of whom have a conscience going through with this, not unlike a Parent would have flushing a goldfish down the toilet.

Sorry guy,, their is a difference between you and I about our ideas on morality moreover our ethical standards of what is merely neglect and what is criminal negligence that you cite as negligible in contrast to all those who have relativist truth hence we meet logical fallacy number three.

Claim X is presented.

Person A asserts that X may be true for you but is not true for him/her. Therefore A is justified in rejecting X.

relativism is the view that truth is relative to Z (a person, time, culture, place, etc.). This is not the view that claims will be true at different times or of different people, but the view that a claim could be true for one person and false for another at the same time.

Ill elaborate the difference where your nonchalant, cavalier lack of compassion gets disguised, all gussied up in a self aggrandizing opinion of yourself and your Godless so called progressive worldview where words like baby and fetus and sperm were all used to portray me in a sublime to ridiculous example of variable truths when the FACT is a baby born alive a human being alive and innocent helpless and without representation.

I think I know the difference between sperm and a baby, alive outside of the womb.

Their are no gray lines when it comes to this and those Doctors and the politics that enable them to participate in a clear act of infanticide, are alive, merely because the same laws that should be activated upon that Childs birth affording them all the equal rights we enjoy including police protection, make it illegal to kill those same Doctors by,, ohh I dunno, perhaps blowing up what has become Americas answer to the German death camps, or "Abortion Killinics"

These babies are as deserving of all the protections and equal rights as any living American, unwanted or not but I see more people complaining their rights to marry someone as twisted in their morality and sexual identity as they are, getting more of a political voice then those whose voice knows no language yet but the gut wrenching cries of unimaginable fear and certain death Guaranteed by only one proponent of such draconian measures in senatorial legislation and legalese. Only ONE in the entire senate and that one proponent was none other than barack insane obama.

We euthanasia DOGS in a more humane atmosphere with more comfort afforded these victims of an ever eroding moral conscience fostered by the darwinian dimwits of the public school system in their desperate act to remove the last Bastian of hope. They are a people who would act more like they have an interest in the survival of the fittest and our species, than those atheists who subscribe to the ever lying illusion of evolution.

Who would they be?

Yeah,, Christians, that's who.

Now I am probably one of the worst examples of what a Christian is or supposed to be. All I know is I am never "Christian" enough for other Christians approval and refuse to live up to anyone else's Idea of the "Christian" reputation. I rarely use expletives and only turn the other cheek once in any kind of confrontation or altercation.
After that, I use uninhibited imagination, relentless creativity and competitive intelligence and if need be, Ill carry.

I seek no mans approval but what the lord has for me so in other words, if you don't like that I believe in something that to even begin to understand takes the very courage of opening yourself up to ridicule being the target of jokes stares and hostility but most of us know that is part of the territory.

When accepting the lord and not long after, if it is genuine, your faith becomes intertwined in so much in so many ways, it is like a slowly evolving new or 6th sense is developing. I can't begin to articulate the experience but all those who have made the conscious decision to accept the lord, knows what I am talking about.

Being an atheist is easy, I used to be one.

Being a Christian is the hardest thing you'll ever do but is the smartest thing I could have ever done in this life. Having said that, I hope this doesn't break down into such degrading exercises so typical of Atheist VS Christian dialogue where one wastes his time comparing sky fairies to what is living inside me.

Those humanist materialist secularists are so close to having their way they are within smelling distance to the grand prize.

A Stalinist like state religion and a national healthcare plan cheaper than we all thought because it is bankrolled by the budget cuts in care and re-invested in the repugnant socialized medicine of eugenics and euthanasia, while at the same time Gay rights for sex that is not procreative in anyway gets more grease to the squeak in the wheel than those who are innocent and dying in what is a sure case of age discrimination negligence, justified infanticide.

Now the abortion industry, in general, has effectively assisted in the deaths of over 50,000 infants in the fetal phase or earliest part of life.

This is orchestrated by a liberal / atheist agenda that wants nothing more than to usurp and undermine religion by accusing it of being responsible of the deaths of 200,000 witches in Salem when the Fact is it was only 20 or the logical fallacy of guilt by association and broad generalization sweeping statements of false premises.

The idea that no war has ever been in the name of atheism yet more die from the senseless excuses given by the godless in godless societies that when you examine the reasons given for most of these deaths that couold have easily been averted or avoided all together, they amount to nothing more than cramping Americas lifestyle.

To suggest that I would buy into your attempt to blur the distinction of what truth is or what a baby is, truth that is normally separated by a line of demarcation called common sense and a contrast so extreme it is black and white. As you add references using examples held only by the most extreme, retarded right wing whacko's saying sperm is a baby as if that takes anything away from truth.

It does not.

You use a most sophomoric excuse to dismiss the truth by suggesting Sperm having never impaled itself into the wall of a fertile egg embedding its DNA is somehow likened to that of a child left in a broom closet crying, knowing only enough of life in its short lived experience to feel the horror of aloneness, every breath it takes burning like acid as the pleura lining not fully formed, protects it not, in an excruciating and grueling exercise of inhaling and exhaling.

One wonders how long it will be before we treat are elderly as much a disposable life form, giving them a name fitting for a more sterile excuse for being so resigned to indifference as we terminate them in some celebratory act of euthanasia.

They are after all not very productive in what will soon be Obama's destiny, to initiate the final chapter in a long tedious Government coup where not one drop of blood would be spilled but small methodical acts of socialism and communism each generation having less civil and human rights than those before it. They won't hardly recognize the revisions they have made to history or the freedoms they have lost to those we tried to stop in the early sixties in Hollywood.

Now, that effort is laughed at on situation comedy and political satire but evidenced by the meteoric rise of the Obama Phenomena, we have a glimpse of McCarthy like warning signs only this time we realize,,

McCarthy was right,

Hollywood IS owned by the communists and the final chapter in a long succession of skull and bonesman graying the party lines where no matter which one you picked, a bonesman was elected and now we have "The One" they have all been waiting for.

I remember reading that line in Saul Alinksy's book. This is the tact taken by most post modernists who assume muddying the waters in some merging of extreme examples taking the sublime to the ridiculous and merging it with your argument only makes for a long winded rebuttal as you have added non sense and superfluous details, not necessary to those who have not given in to giving up their common sense to the Obamanoidic efforts of the all volunteer disinformation army.


obviously not shared by everybody else. You obviously would consider a fetus a baby, that's your choice..



Wrong way to look at it killer, HERE is the right way
is a Baby a living being of the human species?

ANSWER= Yes

Is a fetus the early stages of human life not yet out of the womb but alive nevertheless? If you really want to get into a REAL argument, you tell me at what stages of life are we not deserving of our constitutional rights and what are the reasons, if any to deny one human inside the womb to one living 11 hours outside of it.

At what hour of the one living outside of it do we finally grant those rights and if not, why not?

These are questions that for me, are academic needing no torturously construed alibi's or embellished excuses for the denial of those rights.

Life where Human DNA meets its incubator begins at conception and that has been scientifcally proven. The arguments for Rowe VS Wade have been decided by judges living at a time when science and technology was not capable of defining such events in our human development.

I will however, be sympathetic to extraordinary circumstances and before a brainwave that registers discomfort and pain but that isn't giving away much to some and it may be more than I should.


Yes, an a little touch of sarcasm.. why not be straight up? this is a debate? no? Do you feel the need to hide behind sarcasm?


No more than you have the need to be so presumptuous again and mis-represent me not as being sarcastic but for saying I am "hiding" behind it.

I figured levity is welcome in some situations and the somewhat adversarial posts by Mick often require a touch of that just so the readers will know which one of us has the heartbeat. (umm yeah, that would be another attempt at jocularity)


What "moral ethics" can be find into today's anti-left populous huh? You folks appear to spend 90% of your time arguing moral ethics that seem to contradict the current dealings with the very elected leaders of yours,


Yes I often hear this one when truth becomes hate by those that hate the truth

Dicto simpliciter / Fallacy of accident / Sweeping generalization

A sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a particular situation, but the features of that particular situation mean the rule is inapplicable. It's the error made when you go from the general to the specific.

For example:

"Christians generally dislike atheists. You are a Christian, so you must dislike atheists."

This fallacy is often committed by people who try to decide moral and legal questions by mechanically applying general rules.

Complex question / Fallacy of interrogation / Fallacy of presupposition: Again, The question presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not even been asked.

*yawn* this is one of those times readers, that we meet someone so accurate in his selective blindness he aims at his opponents like he is aiming an arrow at the side of a barn and then walks up to the arrow and paints a target around it. Ill let him continue his rant, and you will see he needs a candle to see the sun.


meanwhile this war of lies is raging on over seas, over 4000 dead, trillions lost, and the economy is in the tubes.. and you want to go on about the conservatce brand of "moral ethics" that none of the candidates in either side seem at all interested in.. unless they need the conservative base..


Like the dog always laying on the porch moaning in a sleepy stupor everyday he is on that porch and one kid says to the man, what's that dog moaning about, the man says, he is laying on a nail sticking up out of the porch wood.

The kid says, why doesn't he get off of it?

The man says,, it don't hurt bad enough yet.

Think about it.
regarding Obama
Part two of my rebuttal to whats his name and what it is about.

The man has gone to great lengths in providing the appropriate evidence to prove his eligibility for the presidency...


You know, I hear this all the time and the more I hear it, the more people say it. The more people say it, the more I guess they think I am supposed to believe it and while the logical fallacy or ad nauseum may or may not have any fallacious where this argument is directed, I find it difficult to buy into it for one reason and that is because it is a relatively simple task which when you examine the facts and I am talking about the kind of facts like knowing what your own name is because you remember it.

Now I may have lived long enough to be your Father and I remember all the BIGGEST headlines from Kennedy to MLK. I remember my Phone number when I was only five years old was Clearbrook 3-3463 Areacode 312 Chicago.

I remember my Dad taking me to see the garage where the St Valentines Day Massacre took place with the bullet marks still on the wall.

I also remember the day they asked Obama for his BC and we waited.

And waited,

and waited

and waited

and waited

During this time their was a big stink going on about John McCains birth and omg they ended up doing an entire investigation about it and McCain showed a COLB ( Certificate of live Birth ) as his original was so tattered it was hardly legible. Some argued about the COLB and without hesitation, doing what he always did, he put the Country First and not all the excuses about obscure laws requiring only "certain" people with "certain" access allegedly to protect his Identity and all that other BS we hear.

No, John McCain did something apparently, so magnanimous, so brave and courageous, is it any wonder he put his comrades first before taking that offer to leave the hanoi hilton, costing him six years of POW time.

Yes John McCain did what any and all American applicants for the highest Office in the land would have done when the suspicion surrounding his place of birth was in question.
He showed us that tattered original BC.

He gave no excuses, he hired no lawyers, he had no Government Officials in Panama blocking Hospital doors, he had no journalists arrested for asking questions in a Panamanian airport hotel and he offered no "financial assistance or contributions" to any "urban legend debunking websites" for doing such a fine job. He didn't have any state officials or any other third party Government and or state office heads of any health Dept., doing favors for him while visiting in Panama for he knew even if they did, it would look contrived at the very least.

John McCain had been in trouble before and although he was exonerated, he didn't forget the lessons about "appearances" that seem inappropriate. This is what experienced statesman sometimes learn the hard way.

Besides, it was NOT an out of the ordinary request and the likely hood someone could get away with any mischievous unlawful act was so remote with his kind of political celebrity, no,, John McCain went apparently,, well beyond the call of duty and to some that would argue this point, he did something almost HEROIC! Something we didn't have to sue him over it was that important to us and John mcCain, the only one running that had ever really fought for me, SHOWED US HIS DAMN VAULTED BC!^%W#$#

It didn't take a supreme court ruling!

It didn't take any squabling over the veracity of its importance

it didn't take a DOH from panama to tell us "yeah he has one and it is an authentic one but when it is asked where it says he was born,,, that same DOH official turning their nose in the air as if it was sooo much a bother to answer what EVERYONE KNOWS was the REAL reason anyone wanted to know what was on it to begin with,, but again getting stonewalled with the excuse "well I have work to do" leaving the biggest secret of and the very reason the Vaulted BC is so well guarded because it is times like this that require the FACTS when Facsimiles are so easily manufactured these days and government officials so Corrupted by greed and power.

Hell I just saw eight years of lies where the buck stops and an entire administration below it all lying to cover up INCREDIBLE scenarios, yet they lied anyway using the "whatcha gonna do about it" defense.

Sort of like the "Deal with it" defense we see so many saying from the ObamaBlogs I know their have been Hoaxes, and usually are to cover up lies. Usually the Hoaxes are created by the same person or persons caught in a scandal. This is done to discredit original claims and is quite effective. merely having your own people, posing as the opposition, putting out red herrings to be investigated and designed to be found out are in fact fakery, will create enough discontent for any other and sometimes legitimate arguments with mitigating circumstances that the scandal eventually becomes a cry wolf tactic in the eyes of pundits and their respective interlocutors.

It takes on a life of its own and albeit Obama has many to say they approve of the most used method of forgery and Identity theft by every meth tweaking twit on the face of the earth IE the COLB and every illegal alien who ever wanted to get a Drivers License, we the people are told to allow it for someone so surrounded in PROVEN fiascos and so many shady friends who are all just alleged to have been "just someone living in the neighborhood" in a politically corrupt state environment in an ethically bankrupt politcal machine, that I being from there and growing up the son of one the highest ranking criminal investigators in the state of illinois, I got to ask myself,, have we lost our freakin minds! I know my Dad. having since retired, is asking the same thing and wondering what the hell is going on there.

He always said Blago was a crook, and he always said Obama was a "commie" and a liar.

He reminded his friends of the made for movies crime fighter played by Clint Eastwood named Dirty Harry. I don't know if it was because our last name is similar or for the way he closed down a car dealership in downtown Chi Town after they sold my Grandmother a Rambler that was a lemmon.

One thing I know for certain, something I remembered from the time I was five years old.

That when he was incharge of LBJ's security whenever the drunken democrat visited the windy city, he would talk to his friends on his job and my Dad was always right about what he said would happen. One of those times was RFK and the other was MLK.

Events like that didn’t surprise my dad one bit.

What he had always said about Obama, I can't prove without asking him and I doubt my dad would give an Obama supporter the time of day.

As for the COLB and the Hoaxes,

The internet is busting at the seams with people that do this at no cost to the person or persons perpetrating it. They are for all intents and purposes, unknowing agents of a conspiracy of change,, a change in not just our a President but our form of Government and the Constitution it is,, or used to be based on. They are the Micks and the Heretics and the Danxs of the Internet who seem to always be here 24/7 defending the strangest election in memory in an Internet era of Obamablogging antagonists accusing us for having the audacity to request Constitutional integrity. Those creating fake COLB and making up urban legends may just as well be Obamanoids doing it but no one really cares because the truth lies in one single solitary Document with no subsitute to verify it as Fact.

This is why they call it a "vaulted Birth Certificate" and why it is the only one we would accept from a man not a damn one of you knows a damn thing about.

You may very well be an agent of that change

I have grown increasingly less believing in.

In Fact,, I now believe was a lie

from the very start








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posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by eaganthorn


I am sorry but you were all over the place with your definition of "sheesh", I couldn't really follow you. What is it a derivative of, Sheba, Sheena, Sheehan, Sheeshbah? Could you be a little more focused if you are going to "put it in a nutshell", for me? While you're at it, what is a "homies"? Is that another ghetto or perhaps a gay reference? I also noticed your sentence structure and spelling went awry, was that intentional? Were you being witty? Or intentionally insulting someone?


Sorry guy,, if this needed anymore explaining, you are too far removed from reality for me to address not having the credentials to prescribe the needed amounts of lithium. Another words if you are going to dish it, then ill be more than happy to serve it in kind as left overs for you and your little peanut gallery




It appears you are having difficulty when too many subjects are discussed at one time so I'll address you with a narrower subject range going forward. Perhaps you won't feel so overwhelmed and subsequently, threatened, as you have thus far displayed.


Why thank you! I am getting a little overwhelmed answering so many. The only thing I have been lucky about is that is relatively easy to dismiss most of the posts including yours as again I am the one responding to yet another post so rife with ad hoc ad-hom innuendo and various other logical fallacies that have nothing to do with the topic that having me dish same right back is not only appropriate, it should be EXPECTED.

So spare me the mundane platitudes about superfluous details and your big brother assisted writing efforts, I am not only NOT amused, I am not impressed and seeing how the first post you used had absolutley ZERO in content regarding this topics title with this one a repeat of the first, Ill do what i always do with ad-hom posts implying so many separate issues from everything from your disengenuous concern for my welfare regarding such "complex" arguments to your never making any other point but to insult. I can take what i dish but I usually get around to making an argument using propositions, premises and infference and sometimes I even get to a conclusion. The construction of an argument looks like this

Here's an example of an argument which is valid, and which may or may not be sound:

Premise: Every event has a cause
Premise: The universe has a beginning
Premise: All beginnings involve an event
Inference: This implies that the beginning of the universe involved an event
Inference: Therefore the beginning of the universe had a cause
Conclusion: The universe had a cause

Now answering questions where you expect me to elaborate on sarcasm is the most asinine request I have heard here yet and one I don't believe you are unaware was sarcasm thinking anything more of Obama's heroic selective service crap was any big deal.

Want to suggest I am beating around the bush?

Ok Ill be Blunt having vounteered during the Vietnam war and spending six years, in the Carrier task force sixth fleet I think actually SERVING in the military is a lot more impressive to someone like me than suggesting the "appearance" you might in a no risk nobama tactical ploy for pathetically proven patriotism.

How is THAT for being vague about what I think about his selective service crap.

I have said it so many times but Ill say it again. IT is a simple gesture and one he is without excuse and no obamanoidic nag is going to nag me into shutting up about it until they know how to understand the exactness of this request is THE SAME one others have complied with and no other substitue will change the way it is for us.

It goes like this.

Mr Obama. SHOW SOMEONE WHO IS A FEDERAL COURT JUDGE YOUR VAULTED BC SO HE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT GOES LIKE THIS

WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU WERE FREAKIN BORN!@



posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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On the top where it says:

Hawaii.



posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
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On the top where it says:

Hawaii.


Cute mick, silly, but cute ironically and contrary to what many close to him including his alleged Hawaian neighbors, have another opinion on old barry. How fortunate he was to be born in one of the few places that would allow such a lie to be so easy to perpetrate but I guess back the idea of someone pulling off such a stunt is like it still is today and why NO ONE has ever BOTHERED to actually LOOK! they just keep assuming the FBI would or the clintons while the clintons may have but they certainly aren't gonna have a Chicago mob monkey breathing down their neck for going against the grain nor for having the legal system inquire how they did that without a permission as I know someone who was hiding something would do what?

That's right! Spare no expense and every effort to do what again??

KEEP THE THING FROM EVER SEEING THE LIGHT OF DAY!

Now an honest person,,well lets just say we wouldn't be having this conversation. You know it and i know it.

The fact is YOU JUST DON'T CARE

But you will,,,

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posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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Earlier I said,

Even though I have read over your posts and know to expect some retort from you in which you will babble incessantly, engaged in the delusion that you are being witty, I will say it is time for you to grow up and deal with the reality of who has been elected as President.


Your last couple of posts goes to show that you are indeed predictable.

A serious question for you, who are you really angry with?
1.) President Elect Obama, for not answering you and your questions directly?
2.) The Democratic Party for not holding President Elect Obama to your standards, in demanding that he respond to you and your questions directly?
3.) Or the vast majority of people in the United States of America who elected President Elect Obama to the office of President of the United States of America without clearing it with you first?



posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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But they have looked. The State Department of Health Director looked and cleared Obama.

And did you call the president a monkey? A Chicago mob monkey at that?



posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
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But they have looked. The State Department of Health Director looked and cleared Obama.

And did you call the president a monkey? A Chicago mob monkey at that?


I realize you think Obama is the Messiah but last I checked, I could call him anything I want Mick whether you think it is blasphemes or not.

He looked and said yeah it is an authentic BC and refused to answer what it said about where he was born, what hospital it was, and who the physician was saying he had work to do. The attitude he came out with was mocked up and he is a bad actor. He deliberately put on a valence that conveyed he was so irritated that their were more important things to worry about as if the coming challenges facing us had NOTHING to do with the President of the United States. This display of ruffled feathers was so canned and so orchestrated to make anyone who would ask this NOBODY any specific questions. The idea from the obama camp was to ridicule questioner or petitioner with extreme prejudice, get in there face and be loud and angry.

Similar tactics have been used by online gamers who cheat and are caught creating an atmosphere of anxiety leaves one with a choice between two equally distasteful alternatives the same two that are left when Atheists do it and Gays.

I have seen the tactic explained in alinskys book (one of Obamas favs). What it does is makes it riskier to accuse the cheater then it does to BE the cheater. To successfully pull this off their is an unsaid rule among cheaters that they do not "eff" each other over. We see the same rule of thumb in any activist organization. It does not take much to play off others doing it in your "group" and worldviews happen to be more stereotypical among these groups than ever before.

Obama used to get people all riled up in the streets of Chicago Mick and they called themselves community "organizers" but if you had ever seen what he did it was more like a community agitator.

His plan for the economy is simple, BREAK the economy get it so it is FUBAR and install the new one. You would think someone would be wise enough NOT to hire Franklin Raines to manage his campaigns finance. But Obama owed Raines a favor while BOTH of them with the help of that idiot Barney Frank took this economy and hit it right where it would hurt the most just in time for the peak in Gas Prices to climb and the ripple would be felt all over the world. How do I know this? John McCain 2005 said this would happen and happen worldwide.

Who shut down any thought of investigating it back then?

Barack Insane Obama



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posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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First of all, the director is a she, not a he. Second of all, she cannot release that information by law. Third, she did say that she looked into it to clear Obama's name, and that the accusations are ridiculous.

So yes, while she did not tell you what was on it (because she couldn't), she did say that the accusations were ridiculous.

Also, yes, you can call Obama what you want, but I'd think you'd show at least a little respect. Oh, and you're the one who keeps saying he's a Messiah, not any of us.

(If you want any links on that I'd be glad to provide them)

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posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck

First of all, the director is a she, not a he. Second of all, she cannot release that information by law. Third, she did say that she looked into it to clear Obama's name, and that the accusations are ridiculous.


Mick! He/she wouldn't have had to say anything that wasn'y already mentioned on his COLB! So don't give me that BS about legal problems he/she had with it! It's BS!


I know exactly what he/she said Mick and he /she didn't say SQUAT! If you can't get it done right then I guess he/she will have to do it over

They were not accusation they are legitimate questions so what he/she thinks about that is his/her problem



So yes, while she did not tell you what was on it (because she couldn't), she did say that the accusations were ridiculous.


I don't remember anyone asking for his/her damn opinion MICK! Do you!



Also, yes, you can call Obama what you want, but I'd think you'd show at least a little respect. Oh, and you're the one who keeps saying he's a Messiah, not any of us.


He ain't MY president Mick he is YOURS and you're welcome to him. He will do to this country the same thing he did in Illinois 44 Billion in debt thanks to his redistributing the wealth BS

oh and Mick,, do ya think I am still gonna get that tax cut?



posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Where to begin...


Mick! He/she wouldn't have had to say anything that wasn'y already mentioned on his COLB! So don't give me that BS about legal problems he/she had with it! It's BS!


Incorrect. She cannot discuss the document. That's that.


I don't remember anyone asking for his/her damn opinion MICK! Do you!


It ceased to be an opinion when she validated the document. Then it became reality.


He ain't MY president Mick he is YOURS and you're welcome to him.


Oh, did you renounce your citizenship?


He will do to this country the same thing he did in Illinois 44 Billion in debt thanks to his redistributing the wealth BS

oh and Mick,, do ya think I am still gonna get that tax cut?


Not according to recent headlines like this:

Obama taps spending watchdog, eyes Social Security

To which conservatives across the board said, "What, he's not supposed to cut spending!?! What kind of socialist is this?!"

Hate to say I told you so, but he's not a socialist, nor would it matter if he was. We are headed back to the days of Clinton's surplus.

Oh, and yes, I am willing to be you'll see your tax cuts eventually. Unfortunately priorities win, and he might have to hold off until he gets the economy back under control.



posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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You seem to be a very angry individual.


Just some advice. Walk away from the computer for about a week, go for a hike or a bike ride... Then come back to the thread and see if you're still as easily irritated...

Sometimes life just hands ya too many lemons, and you gotta swallow the bitter lemonade.

You'll feel a lot better once you do!

Hope to see ya in a week with a much more cheery outlook!

Coven



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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Ann Dunham divorce papers signatures do not match the Ann Dunham handwriting samples circa high school days. View the handwriting samples with source links;

home.att.net...



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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Someone needs to expose this arrogant scamming disgrace to our country!



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by coven
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You seem to be a very angry individual.


Just some advice. Walk away from the computer for about a week, go for a hike or a bike ride... Then come back to the thread and see if you're still as easily irritated...

Sometimes life just hands ya too many lemons, and you gotta swallow the bitter lemonade.

You'll feel a lot better once you do!

Hope to see ya in a week with a much more cheery outlook!

Coven


Oh,, I was angry and when I see the idiocy of a country so taken with an idiot I knew couldnt POSSIBLY pull off all the BS he was offering in this economy back then. Like most of us who knew things would get a lot worse before they would get better. IF they get better.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yeah that sort of thing pisses any American off and is why we have threads like the one I linked, happening already just as I knew we would.

How did we know?

Because WE listened and Mick,, he just spouts off Obamanian rhetoric about a guy he never knew a damn thing about and neither does anyone else. If that wasn't a good enough reason to get ticked off, then you don't know what it is to lose your country.

Not the way we are, not to war or the loss of men in battle. But to stupidity and the arrogance of people like Mick and his fan club of Obamaniacs pushing their brand of Government. A government over the people about the people, not FOR the people but one doing TO the people.

That is what Mick, Heretic and every other Obamanoid is about.





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posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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Right. You know us all so well. We are just "sheeple" who follow anyone who can persuade us around.

Oh, great enlightened Aermacchi, thanks for showing all of us the way.


But I do have a tip for you:

Learn how to argue. All you do is attack people all day long. You bring people's character into the topic instead of actually discussing the topic. Perhaps it is your own lack of knowledge that you should be concerned about.




posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by truthquest

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
truthquest:

what are you implying?

come out and say it.


I'm implying that Obama should probably be the prime suspect in the three killings. I really don't know about the case too much but I do know a suspicious event when I see one. And don't try to paint me as anti-Obama. All politicians in high places are criminal scum in my mind. The worst people in the world are in politics. Clinton had a lot more possible murders under him as well, but to his credit that was after 8 years. Obama isn't even in office and has three possible counts. And as for Bush I think I need not even start.

Sorry for not making that crystal clear in the first place.


You admit you know nothing about the case, but that Obama should be the prime suspect...in a case you know nothing about?

Mmkay.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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How can you not be concerned obout the legality of our next presidents birth? If he is a us citizen then buy all means grant him his rights and support him in his presidency. BUT if he is not a citizen then he should not be allowed to hold that office. No matter what happens I pray that God will guid Obama's path and lay upon Obama's heart to run one nation under God. Palin would have and can still bring a freshness to DC that has not been seen in years. I would rather have a bulldog looking after my family than someone who dosent know who they are. Obama is not the first Black president of our country. He is our first HALF black president. People tend to be blinded and to forget obout his mothers side. She is WHITE. He is BI-RACIAL. I ask God to uphold our nation and open blinded eyes to see and deaf ears so they can see. A house divided wiil not stand and ours is falling fast. God's word says "those who bless my people I will bless and those who curse my people I will curse" Are you chosing to be a blessing or a curse? reply to post by BluegrassRevolutionary
 





posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
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Right. You know us all so well. We are just "sheeple" who follow anyone who can persuade us around.

Oh, great enlightened Aermacchi, thanks for showing all of us the way.


But I do have a tip for you:

Learn how to argue. All you do is attack people all day long. You bring people's character into the topic instead of actually discussing the topic. Perhaps it is your own lack of knowledge that you should be concerned about.



Does ANYONE have any knowledge about Obama MICK!

I dont think so and neither do you! When we talk about sheeple like you who voted for someone not a damn one of us knows anything about, someone that is about to pound the last nail in a coffin,, yeah that IS personal and like I have always said, I HOLD people LIKE YOU responsible.
Character? AS IF!

Oh and By the way MICKEY,,, NO TAX CUT EITHER.

Not that I ever expected one






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posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi
Does ANYONE have any knowledge about Obama MICK!


Those have knowledge about Obama from his family history, the books he authored years prior to his presidential bid and the policies he has proposed. Folks who voted him in also know who he is from his exstensive record of voting, which has been readily available vai the web.

Folks have knowledge thanks to constant investigations and debunking coming from propaganda websites that so readily agree with.

The question of whether we "know him" arises from fear of the unknown ie. the guy whos name sounds like Osama and suddam and that his "different". Though that question is limited to the loony right.... the same loony right that decided to outright support this war of lies in the middle east, the same loony right that wastes there time making accusations about an individual who hasnt served a presidential term, who has yet to make decisions as president, yet this group chooses not to question the last 8years of the rightwing administration.

Do people know Obama 100% ? no and we never will. Will people know McCain or Palin 100%? no nobody ever will. It is impossible for us to do so, and this notion that we should spend hours of our lives analysing every singly piece of the lives of these individuals before they do anything to be judged upon, especially just because they hold a different political belief, is well... pathetic.


I HOLD people LIKE YOU responsible.
Character? AS IF!


Please sir get a hold of yourself!





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