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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Thanx for posting that, I looked, and sure enough, it does not state he was born in Hawaii. A reasonable story is that his mother was stuck in Kenya, and wanted her son to have American citizenship, so just pretended that he was there when he was born. A loophole that she took advantage of. It would have nothing to do with any future attempt at POTUS or anything, but he would not have to deal with no citizenship. From what I gather, the airlines would not let her board a plane for the long flight back home, and grounded her in Kenya. The whole birth cert stuff is a question of 'why did the dog not bark?'. What is he concealing? There is only one answer that comes to mind, and that would disqualify him from holding ANY office, or even a job as a janitor. Ultimately, his massa Lucifer has the predominate power to appoint him as preeminate leader of the formerly 'free world'.
I also hold the Democrats, and the Communists responsible for this criminal fraud, as accessories. Possibly the Republicans because they never really fought this fraud. Maybe because they are trained liars themselves. God protect us from these monstors.




posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
It is not a question of 'liking or disliking' an individual.

First of all.. Obama was a best a B- Student in High School.
He admits doing drugs in High School.
He manages to get accepted at Occidental College.
He somehow manages to get accepted into Columbia College.
We only know that he graduated in the top 10 % of that years class.

In further research, you see him completing his Selective Service Registration in CHICAGO.

Then there continues to be the question surrounding his Birth Certificate, his Certificate of Life Birth that he shows on his website.. may or may not be a true document... SOME PROFESSIONALS say it is an altered document as well.

As a former Officer in the United States Army... I do not want a Commander-in-Chief THAT I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
You see I firmly believe that Mr. Obama is hiding something.


Your own statements suggest that your opinion is based on a belief, not fact, and that belief causes you to not like him. Therefore you support inaccurate rhetoric designed to cast a shadow of doubt on his character even though you are aware of and post positive information about him.

You, yourself posted the above information that he was accepted at Occidental and Columbia College. You also noted that he was honest enough of a man to admit to doing drugs in high school which may have contributed to a lower grade average than what he was capable of achieving, later reflected by his graduating in the top 10% of his class. You’ve also noted that he completed his selective service registration even though he is in the age bracket, of which selective service registration was not legally required, wow, a true patriot!

Of his birth certificate, it has been recognized by an overwhelming majority of professionals, enough to convince the entire Democratic delegation of all 50 states and the board of officers of Obama’s eligibility to run as the Democratic Nominee for President of the United States. Which he did and surprise, he won!

Deal with it.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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O.K. I don't know if this has been said so I am going to say it....
A friend of mine who is African states that African men claim citizenship of the place of their father. What may have occurred on the divorce papers due to cultural beliefs.....is that Obama's father stated that his son was of Kenyan birth. To them this means also that the father was Kenyan. Kind of like when Joesph(Jesus' father) in the bible took Jesus back to Bethleham to be counted during the taxation of Caesar because Joesph was from Bethleham originally and lived in Nazareth for work as a carpenter. Nazareth was kinda like a suburban area where workers in specialty's lived.....Joesph was one of these supposedly.This info is from archeological digs etc..Any way the point is that Obama's father may have been speaking allogorically about where Obama was from ........in their culture the father states the son is from such and such a place because that is where the father is from it is a macho thing I understand from talking to my friend. My friends father has trouble here as he was born here but his father put and African nation on his birth certificate and the son had to get lawyers to fix that later so he could go to American schools......this seems to be a common African male thing or so my friend says....this was especially true in the 60's...........the time frame Obama was born. I am not an Obama supporter but this makes total sense and if true would explain much....
my 2 cents.

speaknoevil07



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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I guess you guys saw this already?


01/02/2009: PRESS RELEASE - Philip J. Berg, Esquire Obtained the Obama 1964 Divorce File
(Contact information and PDF at end)

(Lafayette Hill, PA – 01/02/09) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States and his case, Berg vs. Obama, [is in the U.S. Supreme Court with two (2) Conferences scheduled on 1/09/09 & 1/16/09] announced he had obtained the divorce file of Stanley Ann D. Obama vs. Barack H. Obama which was filed in the First District Court of Hawaii on January 20, 1964. The Obama divorce was finalized on March 5, 1964. Mr. Berg’s office obtained these records several months ago.

The Obama divorce records state there was one [1] child born to the parties on August 4, 1961, a son, by the name of Barack Hussein Obama, II. There is absolutely no mention of where the child was born.


obamacrimes.com...



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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Do you have a source for that claim? Can we see the document? Not that I know that it would matter, but still... almost everything else has been false. Why should I start believing anything you or he says now?



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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His or her source is Obamacrimes
just like the other sources that consist of blogs that any 10 year old can make within an hour.... these are the "sources of information" or "evidence" so to put it folks here have come up with... real pathetic... no evidence, just hearsay or prior references to some paper that has already been debunked countless times in these forums....

How can they deny ignorance, call everybody else who disagrees with their logic as "sheeple" or "MSM lovers" yet then they source their information from such propaganda webs partisan websites... and yet they see no flaw in this or contradiction....

Why are folks, especially those on this site so darn ignorant irish?


[edit on 6-1-2009 by southern_Guardian]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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And Obamacrimes' source is the divorce papers, which can be obtained through the link in this post on page 12. If you download the file and zoom in a bit so you can actually read what's there, it doesn't mention where Obama was born but does mention that there was a child born during Dunham and Obama Sr.'s marriage.

So technically, the Obamacrimes site and what was quoted above is correct. That doesn't necessarily mean that Obama was born in Kenya, just like it doesn't necessarily mean that he was born in Hawaii.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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to which bears no sufficient proof that Obama was born off american soil, but which would make no difference in any case as Obamas mother, being a natural born, being majority of her time in these United states, would make Obama stil eligible to be president under the same Law that would have allowed John McCain.

And I made my point, folks here seem to restrict themselves to partisan websites or blogs that tell them exactly what they want to hear.... website that bear no real evidence, only hearsay or documentation that prove little to nothing... not the way to deny ignorance.. neither is it a good idea to be hypocritical and then call others who share opposite beliefs up on it.

The man will be your president. Suck it up


[edit on 6-1-2009 by southern_Guardian]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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I take it you didn't read my entire post, let alone go to the link and download the divorce papers. I clearly stated that it doesn't necessarily mean he was born in Kenya, and the link I directed you towards doesn't go through Obamacrimes. Try reading what is actually written before jumping to conclusions.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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Thanks Jenna.

Umm guardian. Don't you think it would have benefited Berg immensely if the divorce doc said his birthplace was Kenya? I mean that'd be the last smoking gun he'd need!

But no, instead he came out and put the fricken TRUTH on his site, that they had obtained that doc months ago, and the rumors being spread around (ie this thread and others) that the doc contained information stating his birthplace was flat out false.

And anybody who calls Berg partisan at this point is a fool. He's not partisan. He has a genuine concern for our constitution, unlike you. He just wants the damn truth, like so many of us.

"I'll take Berg for 500 please. "

"Ok, in 2009 Phil Berg, in a startling move counter productive to his own case, dispelled rumors that a certain document which he had obtained actually stated that Obama was born in Kenya. For 500, what was the name of that document which did NOT contain such information, and that he reported truthfully?"



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by Jenna
... it doesn't mention where Obama was born but does mention that there was a child born during Dunham and Obama Sr.'s marriage.

So technically, the Obamacrimes site and what was quoted above is correct.


Great, so ObamaCrimes got something right that Obama already wrote extensively about.


In other words there's nothing new. At all.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Oh, okay. I never actually got to see the document since they decided to password protect it. Then, once everyone proved that it was all a lie to begin with, I lost interest. It's not on megaupload.com anymore, by the way, either.

But, either way, I really find the whole, "I can't prove he was born in Kenya, but you can't prove he was born in Hawaii either" to be be a valid argument from any perspective.

When every shred of evidence either turns out to be false, or is a moot point like this divorce paper, what can anyone expect us to think? It's all partisan-hack politics.

The COLB being faked turned out to be false, the claim that he locked up his records was false, the claim about the divorce papers was false, the claim that his grandmother said he was born in Kenya was false, the claim that him having dual citizenship today was false, the claim that his having dual citizenship at any point voided him from becoming president was false, and the claim that he had dual citizenship with Indonesia and renounced his citizenship here has gone no where.

(Just to name a few)

So pardon us if we aren't quite convinced by, "Obama hasn't proven his innocence".



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


Do you have a source for that claim? Can we see the document? Not that I know that it would matter, but still... almost everything else has been false. Why should I start believing anything you or he says now?


Conversely, why on earth would ANYONE want to lift a finger for YOU then MICK? You want a link so you can accuse them if being lazy while "You do all the research yourself?" Seems to me, you if you say "Not that it would matter" , conventional wisdom suggests that if it doesn't matter.

Then it also doesn't matter, that it doesn't matter

Don't even waste your time, showing Mick a source because where you got it is irrelevant what is important is that is it accurate and true. I have seen this poster use this tact so many times it is predictable he will disparage the source hence the data is as bad. Logical fallacy? Yes but Logic isn't where this request is coming from. It comes from a deep anger, resentment bordering on obsession to ridicule anyone "slinging mud" or anything derogatory towards Barack "Hollywood" Hussein Obama.

He has even admitted this is his mission of sorts to troll those who do this and attack their posts with extreme prejudice never once considering the fact that Obama ain't the most above board and honest individual



[edit on 6-1-2009 by Aermacchi]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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Ah, you're following me around now just to attack me. Great. Once again, I'll remind you that if you want to attack me personally, U2U me, or ask a mod if you can create a thread (I will tell the mod it is fine, I'd love to quarrel with you over your crazy hatred of me).

I think if you ask Jenna, you'll find that she respects me and I respect her, and she has no problem providing that link for me.

 

On to your statements.

All I wanted to do was have someone provide the source. I don't take anything as far as Obama's birth certificate or his citizenship at word, since so many "hoaxes" have been released.

However, again, I wanted to make sure that even if it did exist, no one took me as saying, "Oh, okay, Obama is guilty". That is all I was saying. Here, read it again:


Can we see the document? Not that I know that it would matter, but still... almost everything else has been false.


I asked to see the source so that I could verify it even existed, and then made the point that I wasn't sure it would matter, since it really didn't say anything to begin with.

I don't believe I am alone here in thinking these divorce papers really didn't prove a damn thing, or even can really be considered "evidence".

So quit with the damn attacks. Do you have anything to add? If not, go the hell away.

And last, I will again let you know, that I more than willing to discuss your obsession with me elsewhere (either in U2U or thread so other members can join if the mods will allow it). But your derailing of threads is getting stupid and probably annoying to other members as well.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by The Nighthawk

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
First of all.. Obama was a best a B- Student in High School.


And you know this.... How?

note records/grades are sealed.)


He knows this because HE actually did the digging yet it is YOU accusing him he could know Obama if he pay attention.

So Pay attention night,




I'm still waiting for someone to justify Bush's coc aine arrest that was expunged from his record thanks to Daddy's connections (AND his drunk driving arrest, AND his going AWOL, etc. etc.).


Yeah yeah we get it Bush was a bad no goodnick, so what does that have to to with giving another crack head the oval office in your view?




Again, sealed for his protection. Yours are too. The only way to get that info is if the individual releases it voluntarily. Obama has no need to do so.


Protection from what! Someone posing as Obama? HA HA Get REAL Guy, it is PERFECTLY reasonable to want to know a Candidates backround and even more reasonable to expect them to volunteer it in full open and honest self disclosure. Most all Jobs where a security clearance is required, they ask for the same records and if you give any of them this excuse,, they tell you don't call us , we'll call you.




So? How does this somehow "taint" Obama?


Oh probably the same way it tainted him bussing in homeless people from other states to vote in states Hillary was leading. Biden even mentioned it didn't look good. Hell doesn't look good! It was VOTER FRAUD!

When we say something like this:


(We only know that he graduated in the top 10 % of that years class. Obviously he had worked had to achieve that status.. but again there is no written documentation on HOW he got into Harvard in the first place.)


They say somethning like THIS!


So what? We know Bush got into Yale on a "Legacy Appointment". Obviously Obama did not get into Harvard the same way, since his daddy and grand-daddy didn't go there. The most reasonable answer is that he worked his butt off and was admitted the "hard way". Why do you care so much about the details?


I don't understand? Why express so much hate for one president's spurious means for his station in life while holding none for the next about to take his place? Secondly, what does the one going out have to do with making the same mistake with the one coming in?

The Arab Billionare Obama has connections with got Obama into Harvard.



Ummmm....... Maybe because there's a huge influx of paranoid conspiracy freaks beating on their doors like a bunch of drunks on a stripper's doorstep at 5am, and they've taken (reasonable IMO) precautions to protect those individuals from said freaks?


Please cite the News Referance of said paranoid freaks acting like drunks beating on doors at 5:00AM?

I never heard of this?

Now, what was that you were saying about us making up wild stories again?

yeah,, uh huh

pfffT

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Aermacchi]



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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Did you really just call our president-elect a crack head?


I'd say that qualifies for libel.


Someone on this site must really like you. Most people get post banned for saying far less stupid stuff, derailing far fewer threads, and being less disruptive.

[edit on 1/7/2009 by Irish M1ck]



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck

Ah, you're following me around now just to attack me.


Ha ha ha Don't flatter yourself Mick



Great. Once again, I'll remind you that if you want to attack me personally, U2U me, or ask a mod if you can create a thread (I will tell the mod it is fine, I'd love to quarrel with you over your crazy hatred of me).


Ill keep that in mind but until I actually attack you in a personal way,, Ill just keep it under advisement



I think if you ask Jenna, you'll find that she respects me and I respect her, and she has no problem providing that link for me.


Your respect for eachother had nothing to do with what I said or why I said it.



On to your statements.

All I wanted to do was have someone provide the source. I don't take anything as far as Obama's birth certificate or his citizenship at word, since so many "hoaxes" have been released.


Yeah and Ironically, all that would go away if Obama had the cahonies McCain did when he showed us HIS BC



So quit with the damn attacks. Do you have anything to add? If not, go the hell away.


What attacks mick? Tell me Mick, what did I say about you, I couldn't prove just by pulling up all your quotes.

You know who told ME he was going to follow me around these threads to attack my every post using all thgis braggadocia about superior sources and to make sure everyone would see me as a right wing nut job even suggesting the Mods get rid of me for furthering the ignorance on ATS??

You concluded with your existence here will far out live mine and you would do what ever it took to make sure my stay here was short lived.

yeah YOU said that and NOT just to me but a few more quotes where you use words to the same effect. So don't give me your BS about following you around. I had posted here about Obama at the start but you get this idea I am following you around and ya know why that Occurs to you?

Because THAT IS SOMETHIING YOU WOULD DO!

Not everyone is like you Mick



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi
 


Did you really just call our president-elect a crack head?


I'd say that qualifies for libel.


Someone on this site must really like you. Most people get post banned for saying far less stupid stuff, derailing far fewer threads, and being less disruptive.

[edit on 1/7/2009 by Irish M1ck]


Really?? Ever read Obamas BOOK MICK! Ever live in Chicago when he was a community agitator? If you think he has a case, you tell him I said


So SUE ME



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi
Ha ha ha Don't flatter yourself Mick


What would you call it when someone is on your threads and always tries to start drama?



Ill keep that in mind but until I actually attack you in a personal way,, Ill just keep it under advisement


That shouldn't be too difficult. In the very post you asked me, here is one:

1st Attack


Because THAT IS SOMETHIING YOU WOULD DO!

Not everyone is like you Mick


You're clearly saying I have an unattractive quality of following people around (though it always seems to be you that replies to my posts with hateful comments).

2nd Attack


Don't even waste your time, showing Mick a source because where you got it is irrelevant what is important is that is it accurate and true. I have seen this poster use this tact so many times it is predictable he will disparage the source hence the data is as bad. Logical fallacy? Yes but Logic isn't where this request is coming from. It comes from a deep anger, resentment bordering on obsession to ridicule anyone "slinging mud" or anything derogatory towards Barack "Hollywood" Hussein Obama.


This entire paragraph is clearly a personal attack.


3rd Attack


And you are the biggest one of all and your bigotry is as bad as any I have seen towards race YOU have for Christians.


Will three suffice out of our limited time speaking?


Your respect for eachother had nothing to do with what I said or why I said it.


Just letting you know that she doesn't need your help and that we have a mutual understanding of providing links to back up statements. I am sure she was fine with it.


Yeah and Ironically, all that would go away if Obama had the cahonies McCain did when he showed us HIS BC


He did. You can go see it on factcheck.org. It's his COLB, and it's the only Birth Certificate he can get. The "vaulted BC" he is not privy to release without court order.





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