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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 03:25 PM by Citizen Aenima
Originally posted by John Matrix
Originally posted by breakingdradles
VERY GOOD POINT!!! TAKE RELIGION OUT OF THIS, AND SEE THE ISRAELI PIGS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[edit on 1-1-2009 by breakingdradles]


The branch of Islam which is a cult of hate, suicide, death and destruction teches their children to call Jews pigs.

What is your excuse for using this term to describe Israeli citizens as pigs?


Most of your posts I've read say much of nothing and are so general and vague, it's as if you're fearful to relate to people from a place of rationality. What gives?

To address your cross-sectional slander of "Islam".

I have known many Muslims in my life. Been to Mosques when invited by Muslim friends, dated a couple Muslim girls, etc.

Most I have known never speak badly about other religions. In fact, many of them feel this itself is a "Sin". Most feel the same way about racism. I knew a Muslim who said a racist comment while we were talking, and he looked as if he had said the worst thing in the world. He looked as if the world was going to end , and he kept saying "Allah forgive me, I should not have said that." to me.

Most Muslims I have spoken to, who are practicing Muslims, feel that all religions have a place in the world, and respect all the "Books from the Sky", as they call it. They feel Jews and Christians and Hindus alike will "see Paradise". Most Muslims I have known can also outdo most Christians in a Biblical debate, because they read the Bible also, with Emphasis on the "Torrah".

These are the people that admire Jesus. These are people that cannot prosthyletize, because it is forbidden in Islam. Ever been to a mosque? Many have donation centers where they have canned goods and clothes for the poor. In fact, it is one of the "5 Pillars of Islam", they must do this.

Islam on it's face is one of the most inclusive Religions I've seen in my life. And I am a former comparative Religion person, with emphasis on Hebraic and Greek translation of the Bible. And I don't necessarily look on "Religion" as a positive nowadays.


(There was a day when I believed in "Religion")

Being that I have come to the Taoist and Buddhist PHILOSOPHY more and more, and am coming closer to the reality of "Consciousness' , I see the folly and chaos Religion causes as it's own collective Egoic energy. So I have no 'side' to choose from. There is nothing but danger in collective Egos and human 'belief' , like Religion, Politics, and such.

Human minds create these concepts and fantasies about what is "Truth", none can ever really be debated to an end. There are 'facts' though. Facts are not open to interpretation. The Sun exists, water is more dense than air, diamonds can cut glass, birds have wings, chickens lay eggs.

So your CONCEPTS about Islam can be contested with my concept and evidence. And my evidence tells me that you are missing an entire population of Muslims (The majority of them) who do not fit in that notion you have of them.

So the question is, who told you these things? Did you experience this yourself? And are the "Muslims" you see on TV (the extreme kind who I wouldn't really call Muslims at all), are they your only exposure?







[edit on 1-1-2009 by Citizen Aenima]


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 03:55 PM by alienj
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Why do you want us to consider so many things that are not facts. Why the "what if" rant. Are you racist against Jews and looking for sympathizers. What if, let us just suppose you were smart enough not to ask us to imagine things that have been scientifically substantiated, lets suppose that Hamas is not a terrorist organization attached to a religious movement, lets suppose your thread is absurd. Wait that might offend you.......now think how many ppl your offending. Now I think you get my point

Not to mention that you think problems are going to be handled any differen t than they have been in the past 5000 years. War is in any religious mans Bible and praises it when necessary.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by alienj]


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 04:34 PM by SpacePunk
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Of course the bible is a deception. The very people that the great sky wizard supposedly bequeathed the land to, are the people that wrote that bs in the first place.



reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 05:24 PM by lunarminer
reply to post by Citizen Aenima



A couple of points.

The Germans are a people, not a military. Yet, they have a military.

During WWII the Allied powers waged war against Germany and other countriies, not the German military. The Allies bombed German cities, factories, and eventually invaded Germany. How unfair that was, it ws the German military, not the German people who were waging war. LOL!

Today the Allied victory is celebrated in dozens of countries, including Germany.

It would seem from your post that you think that a people can be separated from its military or its government. It cannot, they are one and the same. How can you separate a country from its government or its military?

If a country or a people declare open warfare against another, then they put their populations at risk. It has always been so.

So, when Alexander the Great, invaded Persia he put Greece at risk. If he had lost to Persia, does anyone doubt that Persia would have taken control of Greece? I think that the answer is obvious.

Come back to WWII, if the Allies had been defeated, the Axis powers would have divided up the conquered lands. This is a basic axiom of war. It has always been so.

So, why does anyone expect Israel to play by different rules?

By the way, if you check your history, the US did in fact use military force to secure the border with Mexico against Pancho Villa. He was not too different from the drug smugglers and cayotes that we are battling today.

We currently have National Guard troops patrolling our border. Some think that we should permanently station regular troops on the border.

Last point, wars have been triggered many times in world history due to the actions of a countries population. The US Revolution, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, are all great examples of wars triggered by the actions of civilians.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:04 PM by John Matrix
Originally posted by Citizen Aenima
Most of your posts I've read say much of nothing and are so general and vague, it's as if you're fearful to relate to people from a place of rationality. What gives?

To address your cross-sectional slander of "Islam".


Call it what you want, but you are way out of line making up lies about what I said. It goes without saying that these threads are about Hamas and Israel. Hamas are Islamic terrorists.

I know there are peace loving Muslims. They are not involved in the branch of Islam which I refer to as the cult of hate, suicide, death, and destruction. You should have asked me to clarify instead of jumping to conclusions.


I have known many Muslims in my life. Been to Mosques when invited by Muslim friends, dated a couple Muslim girls, etc.


Cool.


Most I have known never speak badly about other religions. In fact, many of them feel this itself is a "Sin". Most feel the same way about racism. I knew a Muslim who said a racist comment while we were talking, and he looked as if he had said the worst thing in the world. He looked as if the world was going to end , and he kept saying "Allah forgive me, I should not have said that." to me.


Yes, I agree. As I said, you are assuming that I was referring to regular Muslims, when in fact I was referring to the cult of hate, suicide, death and destruction Muslims.


Most Muslims I have spoken to, who are practicing Muslims, feel that all religions have a place in the world, and respect all the "Books from the Sky", as they call it. They feel Jews and Christians and Hindus alike will "see Paradise". Most Muslims I have known can also outdo most Christians in a Biblical debate, because they read the Bible also, with Emphasis on the "Torrah".


I know this....I wasn't referring to them. You missed my point.


These are the people that admire Jesus. These are people that cannot prosthyletize, because it is forbidden in Islam. Ever been to a mosque? Many have donation centers where they have canned goods and clothes for the poor. In fact, it is one of the "5 Pillars of Islam", they must do this.


Same answer as above.


Islam on it's face is one of the most inclusive Religions I've seen in my life. And I am a former comparative Religion person, with emphasis on Hebraic and Greek translation of the Bible. And I don't necessarily look on "Religion" as a positive nowadays.


Not very inclusive if they punish you for teaching Christianity is it?


(There was a day when I believed in "Religion")


I don't believe in Religion either. I believe in God the father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.


Being that I have come to the Taoist and Buddhist PHILOSOPHY more and more, and am coming closer to the reality of "Consciousness' , I see the folly and chaos Religion causes as it's own collective Egoic energy. So I have no 'side' to choose from. There is nothing but danger in collective Egos and human 'belief' , like Religion, Politics, and such.


Sounds like a good path to follow. I seek to come closer to Divine Consciousness. The Spirit of Love is Divine Consciousness.


Human minds create these concepts and fantasies about what is "Truth", none can ever really be debated to an end. There are 'facts' though. Facts are not open to interpretation. The Sun exists, water is more dense than air, diamonds can cut glass, birds have wings, chickens lay eggs.


That gets us nowhere.


So your CONCEPTS about Islam can be contested with my concept and evidence. And my evidence tells me that you are missing an entire population of Muslims (The majority of them) who do not fit in that notion you have of them.


Again, you assume I missed them. I was referring to the cult of hate, suicide, death and destruction. They are a branch of Islam that dishonor the majority of Muslims.


So the question is, who told you these things? Did you experience this yourself? And are the "Muslims" you see on TV (the extreme kind who I wouldn't really call Muslims at all), are they your only exposure?


I was on all of these threads dealing with these issues and I posted numerous videos showing Kids television shows in which Muslims are teaching their children to hate Jews, call them Pigs, chant death to Israel, Islam will rule the world, etc. They do this using Mickey Mouse and other nice critters. Shall I post them again for you?

It's common knowledge that suicide bombers are radical Muslim extremists that beleive they will go to paradise if they die killing their enemies, and in this case their enemy is Israel. So you could not have viewed all of my posts.

The majority of muslims in America are peaceful. We watch them close, so I know this.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:16 PM by John Matrix
Originally posted by SpacePunk
reply to
post by times up?



Of course the bible is a deception. The very people that the great sky wizard supposedly bequeathed the land to, are the people that wrote that bs in the first place.


The world and all the sleeping people are collectively a black hole of deception preventing people from experiencing spiritual regeneration.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 10:30 PM by dalan.
Originally posted by John Matrix
reply to
post by times up?



Why speculate at all? Is it because there is not enough real facts to support the hate mongers? Everyone please read this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



There are enough facts.

Its not hatred, its the truth.

Todays Jews are descendants of the Khazarians and are not even true Jews.

As I am sure you have already read.


reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 12:45 PM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by dalan.



Genetic information says otherwise.

Out of the Jews across the face of the earth only the Ashkenazim could have any deep Khazar lineage and 40% of them have been traced genetically back to the Matriarchs of Israel.

Biblically it doesn't matter if that 60% was Hopi or Eskimo. The Israeli tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim were of Egyptian lineage, which isn't Semitic.

Once adopted into the Covenant and the House of Israel it doesn't matter who you were or where you came from before.


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 05:30 PM by dalan.
Originally posted by lunarminer

Let's bring this debate up to the 21st century or at least the 20th century.

Israel was created by UN mandate.

If you hate Israel then you must really hate the UN for creating it.


Or the Ashkenazi for manipulating the UN into existence.

So far, I have seen no serioius attempt to reverse the UN mandate that created the state of Israel, and so it is a legitimate, recognized, nation. It therefore has all the rights of statehood, something that the "Palestinians" lack.


So by your logic, only the UN can recognize "real" countries.

And that excuses Israel.

So the Palestinians must not be human then, the UN hasn't recognized them as such.

Most of the "Palestinians" are in fact Egyptians in the case of Gaza, Jordanians in the case of the West Bank, and Syrians in the case of the Golan Heights.


Most Americans are European.

Better send them back too.

Seems to me that the current state of international affairs favors the Israeli position.


I wonder why, perhaps because it was the Ashkenazi who started the UN, and not to mention the fact that the descendants of the Jewish banking families control the economies of the world... besides Russia and China.

So they had better take Israel's side, or else their countries won't be financed anymore...

By the way, on the question of lineage. The earth's population has been mixed so completely over the past 500 or so years that we all have a little Abraham in us.


I don't.

I am a direct descendant of the people of the Lost City of Atlantis

So that makes me God-Heir of the world.

You can't prove me wrong.

I want my own country.

i am going to take yours.

If you fight me, you will be labeled a terrorist.

[edit on 1/3/2009 by dalan.]


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 05:58 PM by resistor
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to
post by dalan.



Genetic information says otherwise.

Out of the Jews across the face of the earth only the Ashkenazim could have any deep Khazar lineage and 40% of them have been traced genetically back to the Matriarchs of Israel.

Biblically it doesn't matter if that 60% was Hopi or Eskimo. The Israeli tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim were of Egyptian lineage, which isn't Semitic.

Once adopted into the Covenant and the House of Israel it doesn't matter who you were or where you came from before.


I hope you have a source for that, because I would really love to see the study.

And you're right, the Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom. God could take the very rocks and raise up descendents to Abraham. That being the case, why the assertion of Semitic blood in modern day Israelis?


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 06:08 PM by Dracula23
reply to post by times up?



Dear Timesup,
You are both ignorant and misinformed. Try attending a college where factual history is taught. Relying on the fictional, racist crap the Nation of Islam or any other racist group churn out merely keeps you a slave to your pathetic victim mentality. Sadly, you will remain an angry, ignorant member of the underclass that is perpetuated by the people who teach you this drivel. You are a life member of the collective human race. Try to be an asset to it. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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