National Guard Soldiers To Usher In New Year at Times Square

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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So having the national guard is justified because there's a large collection of people, and there could possibly be a man made or natural disaster, and hell it would truly suck if they were undermanned in a situation like that.

So what about the superbowl, that's a pretty big collection of people in one place. I bet America would feel pretty stupid if a crack of doom opened up mid game and sucked a couple thousand people to their fiery death, without the NG on hand to save them.

reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo

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I don't really recall anyone saying (at least the OP) that martial law was going to be implamented or anything like that, just the National Gaurd policing the streets (like they did do).
People where talking about the possible violation of the constitution, but more than that people were talking about a familiarizationof military patroling streets.

Stop attacking people and attack the issue, seriously, bro.

-Lahara

reply to post by Lazyninja

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That's a very good point, we may see that soon too, I think that things are going to get really hairy with this new prez in.

-Lahara

reply to post by TheRandom1

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I can't see any reason why they wouldn't start. The superbowl is a densely packed area with people. But then again so is a shopping mall, a school, an office building with more than 10 floors.

There are excuses just about everywhere to deploy people to keep us safe, but for some people they are never going to notice the point where the security and nannying became intolerable to the point of insanity. One day they'll just wake up and realize the world has gone to hell, or their kids will.

And to the ultra patriotic apple pie eaters in this thread: No conspiracy here? I agree totally, there is no conspiracy. Conspiracies are things which happen behind closed doors. This is happening right out in the open in front of your faces.

I never heard of the national guard being present at a new years ball dropping? This reeks of fascism to me..communism, call it what you wish..
A factor of the constitution, was america did not want the streets bullied and patroled like the rest of the wrold was..cerfew set, troops threatening to shoot you becasue its 7 15 pm...
Theirs no reason to have troops on OUR land, unless something massive happened. asteroid collision, nuclear war, another country's army has landed and is attacking...but looks like thier already here, tis our own government; (
For the national guard to be present,a nd since government seems to like to do 'set ups' make an incident then blame another o#ry or someone else, seems to be a possibilty in the making...or it is possible, thier testing us, see how much we resist incase the economy slips in mid 2009..thats another possibilty i see.. their making observations alright..and reporting back home to headquarters the lying bastids..
Whats next? Posting national uard at the gates of disney land? Perhaps for a simple columbus day parade? maybe they actually think santa is a terrorist lol

made a typo..sorry
o#ry shuold have been country havnt had my coffee yet sorry all

There you have it the voice of the ignorant sheeple with head firmly inserted into the sand.

It still amazes me to see this level of innocence or stupidly? Let me spell it out to you. I DO NOT NEED TO BE POLICED. I DO NOT NEED AN ARMY TO PROTECT ME.

Do the sheeple on here think that wars just happen when a few ‘bad’ people decide to kill as many people from another culture or country?

Once you get this then you will see how much control you hand over and at what cost!

Poster please keep informing the masses.

Apparently someone has never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act....

We DON'T NEED MILITARY POLICING CITIZENS! That is why we have Police Officers.

Only fascists use Military to Police the people.

But hey, if you don't think its any big deal, that's probably why you aren't making a big stink over the Constitutional rights that the American people have lost in the past eight years.

Why do people holler out the sheeple comment constantly around here like it's an insult? Can you be any more condescending? Probably not.

As far as this event goes, perhaps they received a threat or a tip that it was a target for an attack. Why is everything communism and NWO takeover? People who don't agree with you aren't "sheeple," they just may not share the deep-rooted amount of hatred and conspiracy as some of you do in regards to our government.

You don't NEED our army? Please.. if there was a foreign force on our soil, you would absolutely need our armies. I realize you feel with your survival kit, bowie knife and 3 rifles, you are an unstoppable force. But you won't last long in reality.

Considering the high level of ineptitude our local agencies have shown in the face of recent emergencies, I'm not terribly surprised that want more on hand, in case something happens.

If this becomes a regular event, I'll become suspicious. If a large contingent of soldiers started showing up at every event, yes, people would notice. At least I hope so. We'll see how it goes. But I think it's a bit overboard to claim evil government agendas based on the national guard no less, being at a major event that could very well be the target of a terrorist attack.

I have been reading threads about stories of the military being used to "suppliment" Law enforcement around the US. for a while now..
I must confess that at first I could understand the logic used to explain this in certain cases..

I did not think of any "conspiracy" immediately, I also must admit to a reluctance in believing that our military would be used for such "nefarious" means, so blatently...

But as the motto of this site is "to deny ignorance" I have kept an open mind..And as much as I do not want to belive it, the evidence seems to be pointing to the fact that our military is being used more often than should be prudent for "law enforcement augmentation"

Also the fact that this is starting to become a "nonevent" in the media, as well as to most of the public, is even more disturbing..

Do not get me wrong, I am not a military basher, I am a vet. and I still hold our military in high regards.. I just don't like the way our military is being used..
End of rant, thank you for your time and patience..

reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo

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I'm pretty sure if something WERE to happen in NYC, the NG would be able to get there pretty quick. There isn't any need to have them out there. Have them up on alert and ready to go? Sure thing. But mobilizing them? No.

For as long as I can remember, when a big event was going on, with a great deal of people, gathering in a small area, we used rent-a-cops. NG=overkill. But hey, I'm not trying to save the taxpayer money or anything by not mobilizing a part of the military every time theres a big event. Rent-a-cops would have done the job.

edit: just woke up and I notice some of the most obnoxious grammatical mistakes. For that, I appologize.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by grimreaper797]

reply to post by camain

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The idea is if something were to happen, that the NG could stop the initial panic after. 1 million people panicing in a 2 city block radius WOULD be dangerous, BUT the NG wasn't doing anything some low wage rent-a-cop couldn't have done. Waste...Of...Resources.

Over 1 miilion people in times square during NYE. I think that justifies the additional need for security. As well as over 1 million people at the inauguration. As for those who comment about the superbowl it is about 250,000 people that go to that venue. As for DD comment to me, go ahead and live your life in fear and keep worrying about what isnt going to happen. You probably also were one of the ones who thought Bush was never going to leave office and is still going to declare Martial Law before he leaves or that we are going to be ushered into prison camps. Maybe even those FEMA coffins that are waiting for some sort of government massacre.

Same goes for the presidential inauguration. Get some rent-a-cops. If that isn't even to stop an attack, you weren't going to be able to stop it anyway. The Nation Gaurd isn't some elite unit of super soliders with x-ray vision and extra sensory perception. They are just regular people who do this a weekend out of the month I think it is.

One of my best friends is in the Nation Gaurd right now. No offense to my friend, but he wouldn't be any more useful at an event of that magnitude then a rent-a-cop. The only difference between the National Gaurd and the person watching the event, is the National Gaurd has somebody higher up to give them orders to stop a panic, and they know how to relay those orders to the public. That's it.

Point blank, the National Gaurd isn't stopping a j-walker, let alone a complex terrorist plot. Stop wasting our resources. The National Gaurd is located IN NYC if something WERE to go down, just put them on elevated alert and call it a night for the NG.

Regardless of whether anyone thinks they aren't a "sheeple" , in truth it's a nice short way of saying this: "You eat exactly what you are fed and you've been fattened up so much that you think your life is good and the hand that feeds you is just fattening you up because they want you to be cozy, so that's why you don't question it.... because you're cozy."

The fact is that the government is here to govern you... and when you get a bunch of liars, cheaters, stealers, and war criminals in office and they make friends with big business, and war and the military industrial complex becomes thee biggest business in history... your military and your national guard become low grade mercenaries hired by war criminals and mass murderers.... they are so low grade that they have to be brainwashed with patriotism and all this other bullcrap in order to take the piddley stipend they get for sacrificing their lives in other countries.... not for our country as we normally think of it (because how we normally think of it is a fairytale anyway)... but for big business, and as we've seen TIME and TIME again throughout the history of civilization, business and banking and profit and wealth has no conscience at all. It is driven purely by expansion of wealth and power... same thing, really.

Bill Hicks - "Anyone STUPID enough to join the military.... should be allowed in." (Maybe he could've used the word "ignorant" or "misinformed" in place of stupid. Stupid means that someone is incapable of being well informed. We all know that many people in the military are incredibly intelligent, but just because you are intelligent does not make you immune to ignorance or misinformation.)

I think that sums up the problem. We've got a bunch of brainwashed misinformed trained killers marching around under the guise of defending us, but look at how confused these people already are.... joining an organization which has killed millions of innocent civilians in violent murderous action which has never really benefited the world or made it a safer place.... all in the name of peace. Fighting for peace.... uhhh that's like having intercourse in the name of virginity (yes I stole that from a 60s peace protest sign).

So you think having the military patrolling streets is a safe idea? You think thats's peace keeping? Or do you think that it's fear mongering, having trained killers patrol the streets instead of just simple trained law enformers? And why can't we patrol our own streets? We have organizations like neighborhood watch, and we have had in the past a GREAT militia.... armed citizens, independent of any military industrial complex or government rule, ready to protect their friends families and neighbors in case of incidents where mobs break out, or in case of exactly like what is happening all over the country now... which is MISUSE of government power to impose THEIR military upon US. It is not our military, sorry to say. We did not choose any war we have had really since maybe the Civil War or earlier. Especially in recent times, "our" military being used in secret government coups and takeover operations in other countries all for some political or commercial agenda, and WE have no say in what THEY do.

Therefore, no this is not a good idea because we would not want this happening if we were all more well informed. We would be taking responsibility into our own hands... but unfortunately, the economic situation getting worse and worse doesn't allow that, and people are becomeing more DESPERATE for jobs and money... and when people become DESPERATE, they will do a lot more than they normally would or would feel comfortable doing in order to keep their job. That goes for any type of military outfit patrolling our streets, as well as any type of well known mercenary organizations. This is not about patriotism anymore. That's just some mind control trigger word. What is the real threat here is what will people armed with military weaponry do to innocent people in times of political and economic unrest?

And folks, we are approaching that time. That is not fear mongering. It's just being well informed. These military operations to "keep order" during New Years and at various checkpoints across the country and the training exercises and the backing of the police..... they are illogical and a danger to true freedom, regardless of what any goddamn piece of paper says. Common sense could have prevented so much of this from escalating and boiling just under the surface ready to burst, but common sense has been diverted, and in favor of common sense... we have "education" by government, religious, and corporate organizations, and we have patriotism, and we have fear mongering media, and we have the establishment of super secret organizations whose operations we rarely ever hear the details of, and if we do it's not for 20 or 30 years.

So we should just trust these people who are polluting, brainwashing, killing, punishing, stealing from, and destabilizing the whole world..... just because some highly suspiciously ignorant fools come parading around saying "nothing to see here. There is no conspiracy."???

No. The government and all of their crony organization are ALWAYS guilty until proven innocent, because THAT was the philosophy behind whatever the "Founding Fathers" had originally intended to do here. It doesn't matter whether it's at a state level or if it's at a national level, because it's ALL the same now.... just smaller tentacles of a larger beast.... and you should SERIOUSLY be weary of military being deployed against our own citizens. That is not cool. Like I said, we're the innocents, NOT the government. Not the government at all. If the judicial branch of the government were not so g-d- corrupt, just like every other branch and arm and tentacle and twig of this giant black monster, and organizations truly had the same rights as people on an equal scale.... we could put the Federal Government, along with all of its cronies, on trial for the murder of most likely much more than a billion people throughout its history.

So yeah just put your faith in a mob worse than any Organized Crime family in history to do the right thing and protect its citizens.

When the military comes and forces you at gunpoint to do something, hey don't tell us we never warned you of your ignorace.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by dunwichwitch]

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

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Do you even know what the Posse Commitatus Act is? It makes it illegal to use federally controlled soldiers for law enforcement under ordinary circumstances (ex. not if there is a declared emergency, as you can see if you read it and the Insurrection Act).

But in your own quote, it says that it was under the command of the Governor of New York. So Posse Commitatus has nothing to do with this.

reply to post by Johnmike

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So the governor of New York is the last word on the subject?

He's not taking heat from anyone above him? I'm using common sense here, and you're using what you read in books and on papers... and that doesn't make what you know from literature exactly how it works.

No offense, but that's the truth, regardless of whether you get offended. You've gotta stretch your mind a little farther than official written texts allow. What does the political, commercial, and criminal climate allow? What does everything you do not know that goes on behind the scenes allow?

reply to post by grimreaper797

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At least the National Guard has specific training for certain scenarios. Rent a cops do not. ANd with the economy the way it is and with the rise of crime and murder during poor economic times I dont blame them for wanting the extra security. Let me ask you this. If you were at the inauguration would you rather have 11,000 national guardsmen there for extra protection or 11,000 rent a cops. If I was going to do something illegal or damaging to another person I would sure as hell be less likely to do it with soldiers around then some untrained rent a cops. And as far as I know there hasnt been any reporting of any soldiers abusing US citizens within our boarders. Pretty sure last night went off without a hitch.