I never heard of the national guard being present at a new years ball dropping? This reeks of fascism to me..communism, call it what you wish..
A factor of the constitution, was america did not want the streets bullied and patroled like the rest of the wrold was..cerfew set, troops threatening to shoot you becasue its 7 15 pm...
Theirs no reason to have troops on OUR land, unless something massive happened. asteroid collision, nuclear war, another country's army has landed and is attacking...but looks like thier already here, tis our own government; (
For the national guard to be present,a nd since government seems to like to do 'set ups' make an incident then blame another o#ry or someone else, seems to be a possibilty in the making...or it is possible, thier testing us, see how much we resist incase the economy slips in mid 2009..thats another possibilty i see.. their making observations alright..and reporting back home to headquarters the lying bastids..
Whats next? Posting national uard at the gates of disney land? Perhaps for a simple columbus day parade? maybe they actually think santa is a terrorist lol

made a typo..sorry
o#ry shuold have been country havnt had my coffee yet sorry all

Originally posted by soultorent
I'd rather them here then overseas any day. Sorry but this doesn't come off as bad as me. If the government told me that they would have the entire U.S. military guarding important cities, borders, me and my family I'd be all thumbs up to them.


You call them the National Guard. I call them Americans helping Americans.

Apparently someone has never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act....

We DON'T NEED MILITARY POLICING CITIZENS! That is why we have Police Officers.

Only fascists use Military to Police the people.

But hey, if you don't think its any big deal, that's probably why you aren't making a big stink over the Constitutional rights that the American people have lost in the past eight years.

Why do people holler out the sheeple comment constantly around here like it's an insult? Can you be any more condescending? Probably not.

As far as this event goes, perhaps they received a threat or a tip that it was a target for an attack. Why is everything communism and NWO takeover? People who don't agree with you aren't "sheeple," they just may not share the deep-rooted amount of hatred and conspiracy as some of you do in regards to our government.

You don't NEED our army? Please.. if there was a foreign force on our soil, you would absolutely need our armies. I realize you feel with your survival kit, bowie knife and 3 rifles, you are an unstoppable force. But you won't last long in reality.

Considering the high level of ineptitude our local agencies have shown in the face of recent emergencies, I'm not terribly surprised that want more on hand, in case something happens.

If this becomes a regular event, I'll become suspicious. If a large contingent of soldiers started showing up at every event, yes, people would notice. At least I hope so. We'll see how it goes. But I think it's a bit overboard to claim evil government agendas based on the national guard no less, being at a major event that could very well be the target of a terrorist attack.

I have been reading threads about stories of the military being used to "suppliment" Law enforcement around the US. for a while now..
I must confess that at first I could understand the logic used to explain this in certain cases..

I did not think of any "conspiracy" immediately, I also must admit to a reluctance in believing that our military would be used for such "nefarious" means, so blatently...

But as the motto of this site is "to deny ignorance" I have kept an open mind..And as much as I do not want to belive it, the evidence seems to be pointing to the fact that our military is being used more often than should be prudent for "law enforcement augmentation"

Also the fact that this is starting to become a "nonevent" in the media, as well as to most of the public, is even more disturbing..

Do not get me wrong, I am not a military basher, I am a vet. and I still hold our military in high regards.. I just don't like the way our military is being used..
End of rant, thank you for your time and patience..

Same goes for the presidential inauguration. Get some rent-a-cops. If that isn't even to stop an attack, you weren't going to be able to stop it anyway. The Nation Gaurd isn't some elite unit of super soliders with x-ray vision and extra sensory perception. They are just regular people who do this a weekend out of the month I think it is.

One of my best friends is in the Nation Gaurd right now. No offense to my friend, but he wouldn't be any more useful at an event of that magnitude then a rent-a-cop. The only difference between the National Gaurd and the person watching the event, is the National Gaurd has somebody higher up to give them orders to stop a panic, and they know how to relay those orders to the public. That's it.

Point blank, the National Gaurd isn't stopping a j-walker, let alone a complex terrorist plot. Stop wasting our resources. The National Gaurd is located IN NYC if something WERE to go down, just put them on elevated alert and call it a night for the NG.

Regardless of whether anyone thinks they aren't a "sheeple" , in truth it's a nice short way of saying this: "You eat exactly what you are fed and you've been fattened up so much that you think your life is good and the hand that feeds you is just fattening you up because they want you to be cozy, so that's why you don't question it.... because you're cozy."

The fact is that the government is here to govern you... and when you get a bunch of liars, cheaters, stealers, and war criminals in office and they make friends with big business, and war and the military industrial complex becomes thee biggest business in history... your military and your national guard become low grade mercenaries hired by war criminals and mass murderers.... they are so low grade that they have to be brainwashed with patriotism and all this other bullcrap in order to take the piddley stipend they get for sacrificing their lives in other countries.... not for our country as we normally think of it (because how we normally think of it is a fairytale anyway)... but for big business, and as we've seen TIME and TIME again throughout the history of civilization, business and banking and profit and wealth has no conscience at all. It is driven purely by expansion of wealth and power... same thing, really.

Bill Hicks - "Anyone STUPID enough to join the military.... should be allowed in." (Maybe he could've used the word "ignorant" or "misinformed" in place of stupid. Stupid means that someone is incapable of being well informed. We all know that many people in the military are incredibly intelligent, but just because you are intelligent does not make you immune to ignorance or misinformation.)

I think that sums up the problem. We've got a bunch of brainwashed misinformed trained killers marching around under the guise of defending us, but look at how confused these people already are.... joining an organization which has killed millions of innocent civilians in violent murderous action which has never really benefited the world or made it a safer place.... all in the name of peace. Fighting for peace.... uhhh that's like having intercourse in the name of virginity (yes I stole that from a 60s peace protest sign).

So you think having the military patrolling streets is a safe idea? You think thats's peace keeping? Or do you think that it's fear mongering, having trained killers patrol the streets instead of just simple trained law enformers? And why can't we patrol our own streets? We have organizations like neighborhood watch, and we have had in the past a GREAT militia.... armed citizens, independent of any military industrial complex or government rule, ready to protect their friends families and neighbors in case of incidents where mobs break out, or in case of exactly like what is happening all over the country now... which is MISUSE of government power to impose THEIR military upon US. It is not our military, sorry to say. We did not choose any war we have had really since maybe the Civil War or earlier. Especially in recent times, "our" military being used in secret government coups and takeover operations in other countries all for some political or commercial agenda, and WE have no say in what THEY do.

Therefore, no this is not a good idea because we would not want this happening if we were all more well informed. We would be taking responsibility into our own hands... but unfortunately, the economic situation getting worse and worse doesn't allow that, and people are becomeing more DESPERATE for jobs and money... and when people become DESPERATE, they will do a lot more than they normally would or would feel comfortable doing in order to keep their job. That goes for any type of military outfit patrolling our streets, as well as any type of well known mercenary organizations. This is not about patriotism anymore. That's just some mind control trigger word. What is the real threat here is what will people armed with military weaponry do to innocent people in times of political and economic unrest?

And folks, we are approaching that time. That is not fear mongering. It's just being well informed. These military operations to "keep order" during New Years and at various checkpoints across the country and the training exercises and the backing of the police..... they are illogical and a danger to true freedom, regardless of what any goddamn piece of paper says. Common sense could have prevented so much of this from escalating and boiling just under the surface ready to burst, but common sense has been diverted, and in favor of common sense... we have "education" by government, religious, and corporate organizations, and we have patriotism, and we have fear mongering media, and we have the establishment of super secret organizations whose operations we rarely ever hear the details of, and if we do it's not for 20 or 30 years.

So we should just trust these people who are polluting, brainwashing, killing, punishing, stealing from, and destabilizing the whole world..... just because some highly suspiciously ignorant fools come parading around saying "nothing to see here. There is no conspiracy."???

No. The government and all of their crony organization are ALWAYS guilty until proven innocent, because THAT was the philosophy behind whatever the "Founding Fathers" had originally intended to do here. It doesn't matter whether it's at a state level or if it's at a national level, because it's ALL the same now.... just smaller tentacles of a larger beast.... and you should SERIOUSLY be weary of military being deployed against our own citizens. That is not cool. Like I said, we're the innocents, NOT the government. Not the government at all. If the judicial branch of the government were not so g-d- corrupt, just like every other branch and arm and tentacle and twig of this giant black monster, and organizations truly had the same rights as people on an equal scale.... we could put the Federal Government, along with all of its cronies, on trial for the murder of most likely much more than a billion people throughout its history.

So yeah just put your faith in a mob worse than any Organized Crime family in history to do the right thing and protect its citizens.

When the military comes and forces you at gunpoint to do something, hey don't tell us we never warned you of your ignorace.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by dunwichwitch]