National Guard Soldiers To Usher In New Year at Times Square

reply to post by wylekat

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Hey bro, here's the link to that news story, he one you posted doesn't work.

news.yahoo.com...

-Lahara

reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo

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DD is particularly known for demonization - its one of his calling cards. Anyone who disagrees that everything he posts is a massive conspiracy is immediately either (1) a sheeple, (2) a disinformation agent, or (3) just a plain dumb government loyalist. Usually some weird combination of all 3.

DD does not allow any intelligent analysis that goes against his own "theories" - any constructive critique is not allowed. Shut out dissent. Silence anyone who questions. Belittle anyone who dares go against his brilliance.

The irony is very funny. He is doing the very same things he accuses the government of

[edit on 31-12-2008 by LowLevelMason]

Hey guy's, i have a great idea, let's all attack each other over a thread, we ca post demeaning things that are just hateful, mean, and have nothing to do with the OP.

Let's usher in he New Year with a message of hate shall we?

Seriouly guy's, too much hating going on here, if you don't agree, then post why you dont, DD even said that ya'll could "agree to disagree" seriously.

Now as for something happening tonight, well, I'm pretty sure a ball will drop (not my own), that's all i can say for certain, I do believe that he increase in military presence here that is not just being here off duty and enjoying time spent with family and friends, I do believe it is warming the public up to the military patroling. I think it has a lot to do with Codex Alimentarius, soon there will be more riots, things will get worse and a police state will be evidnt.

This is what all this is adding up for me.

-Lahara

When was the national guard ever at any other inauguration of the president?

I can understand the NG at the innaguration , we do have to look at the brass tacks folks , sorry for sounding racist but we do have a black president taking the oath of the office of the Presiden. There are major amounts of extreme racist organizations that dont like this Idea , So do the math . Being raised a southerner , I have been around the hatred and seen the nice community meetings to keep the coloreds in their place . Thus the reason to have a major presence for protective measures . As for the New Years Eve celebration , that is a little too much , I do believe in protection but it puts me on edge. Well that is my 2 cents Now HAPPY NEW YEARS TO YOU ALL.

reply to post by BlackKnight7365

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How is pointing out the fact that we have a "black president" racist?

Anyhoo, I think with the inaguration it will be a nonevent, nothing will happen with t, remember whatthey said, they said that a catastrphy of some sort will happen and that people wont like the descision that Osama will make, but we will have to stand behind him.

I don't think th klan are doing much these days, I think they've all sorta puttered out.

-Lahara

This is actually a good Idea... Every patriot should be concerned about too much power being distributed.

But really, the soldiers are just Americans, kids mostly who wish to enjoy the New Years too

And I've spent 10 of my adult years rocking the New Years in Manhattan and....

Damn they should have done this ages ago...

It can get too be an insanity of crime and violence in the vicinity, cops can't handle it.

I remember one year some guy near me was told to stash his booze in the street in a basically friendly manner, a minute later like 300 people were pelting the cops with snow balls and bottles and stuff... until they drove away.

Kind of cool actually....

But the zone can get insane if something went wrong, a few soldiers around encourage temporary semi sobriety and sanity if nothing else

So what is new? The Military has been defending the Continental United States since 1776, and there have ALWAYS been Units Deployed in Defense of our Harbors, Ports, Coastal Areas, and so forth. You obviously have NO knowledge whatsoever of the reality behind our Military and Department of Defense, for if you did, this would NOT come as a surprise.

On another note, what did you think when we had MIL Units deployed within our Airports after 9/11? Did that "upset" you? Were you "offended"? Were you "terrified"? Did you complain of a "takeover"?

It is individuals like you that drive forth paranoia, from nothing more than a naive idea of how our Nation functions.

actually, the us army was established a year before the constitution (1775)...not flaming, just fyi.
besides, the governor has the NG for whatever he wants. the NG is a state controlled force...in regards to deployment, bush did pass an executive order to activate the guard in support of the 'war of terror'...(borat joke)
in KY we have annual events that the guard (MP units, which i am of) offers support. we have been doing it for over 10 years. its good training for the troops and a nice recruting tool for the unit and a deterrent of crime (usually its just a few fights, alcohol IS involved.) im sure in NY they will be tagged along civi police units and will perform similar duties.
they will not, however, be posted up in up armoured-HMMWVs and heavy machine guns in full battle rattle to take over NY...who would want it anyway?

[edit on 31-12-2008 by bishopMP]

Wow, this thread is awesome. It's kind of like a sideshow!

Here's what I've picked up so far:

Distraught Cubans on rafts made of coconut trees, tires, and a bed sheet can sail in stormy weather to get into Florida, and pregnant, starving Mexican women can run across the border and escape border patrol - but there is NO WAY IN HELL that a well trained, intelligent, financed terrorist who lives to die in a Jihad will EVER be able to get in this country and inflict any damage! IT JUST WOULDN'T MAKE *ANY* SENSE!!!

We don't need our military overseas in other countries - bring them back home like Ron Paul says! He's a constitutionalist *and so am I!* but WE CERTAINLY don't need them in our own cities or called upon to assist a disaster! IT IS LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENTS JOBS, EVEN IF THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT, TO TAKE CHARGE OF THE SITUATION AND ORGANIZE ACTION -- *EVEN IF THEIR EFFORTS ARE FUTILE AND THOUSANDS WILL DIE* Military should be contained inside of their bases for good, no matter what! They are too much of a risk to the American people! As soon as one of them gets out, the next thing you know IT WILL BE MARTIAL LAW! OPEN YOUR EYES IF YOU CAN'T SEE WHY THIS IS TRUE!! --- think about it: Even if there was a foreign invasion, the military would still implement martial law, *patrol our streets* and put people in camps! HOW ABSURD IS THIS? IT JUST PROVES THE MILITARY IS PURE EVIL AND CAN NOT BE TRUSTED!

I also back the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION *like Ron Paul* but if you want to CHEERLEAD politicians who carry out actions that agree with the constitution, THEN YOU ARE A SHEEP! Open your eyes! The first thing you know, they'll do something that is authorized by the constitution or a congressional authorized act ---- AND THEN ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE! IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS THEN YOU ARE AN IGNORANT SHEEP.

********* ATTENTION: PATTERN RECOGNITION **********

Person1: The Jews are in control of the United States and the Holocaust didn't happen. It is all a Jewish lie, just look at history! I'm not saying I hate Jews, it's just that they are all evil zionist liars and should be rounded up and deported from our country! Just look how rich they are and how much of the media and government they control!

Person2: You're obviously an anti Semite! Sure, there are a lot of Jews in the media, but that is simply do to their affluence in this country. Many of them come from prominent successful families. I know plenty of Jewish people who aren't rich, and they are certainly not part of some Zionist movement. Plus, there is a lot of evidence of the Holocaust happening...

Person1: No! You are a blind ignorant sheep! You are the problem with this country! The Zionists are taking over the world! YOU MUST SUPPORT THE ZIONISTS, SO THAT MAKES YOU AN EVIL SYCOPHANT!

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Person1: The government is an evil, corrupt entity and 9/11 was an inside job! It's all a government lie to take away our freedom! Just look at the Constitution! Look at the Posse Comitatus Act! This is unconstitutional! Politicians are all corrupt liars and should be rounded up and put in jail! Look at the things they do, like put the military on standby to "protect" the people! It's obvious that they want to patrol the streets and take away our freedoms!

Person2: ... but that is the purpose of the national guard. They are to be ordered to active service by a state governor in an emergency to respond to domestic threats and aid the American people. News years eve is a time when very large groups of people gather in times square to watch the ball drop. If there were to be only a few bombs go off, thousands upon thousands of people could die, and if there was a small group of people with weapons killing other people, it would be very hard for standard law enforcement to handle the situation. Many people could die. The state national guardsman are the state Militia and certainly allowed to help aid in a disaster. The Act you are talking about only prevents federal armed forces to be used by states or in normal situations. The Congress or President has the authority under the Act and the Constitution to utilize any and all armed forces within the US in order to respond to a disaster.

Person1: WAKE UP YOU IGNORANT SHEEP!! THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO MARTIAL LAW! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A CHEERLEADER FOR THE GOVERNMENT AND THE CORRUPTS!

In general.............

Person1: I'm scared of everything! I'm so scared of any type of authority! Please, I'm calling out for help but can't find any. I'm made of glass and fearful of the world! I might break if the slightest disturbance occurs which forces my mind to adapt to change from my ideal reality or a non-stagnant, calm world!

Person2: Hey, take a step back and look at what is happening. Use critical thinking and evaluate the information at hand in an intellectual way, not an emotional one. You'll see that this type of stuff is normal and you are blowing it out of proportion. They are merely standing by to assist/protect you if the need arises.

Person1: NO!! You're a bogey man! You're out to get me too! Haven't you ever heard Ben Franklin say "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." I won't give up my liberty for safety from the government during a national disaster or horrible bombing which kills thousands! Don't tell me I'm wrong, I can't handle it! GET AWAY FROM ME!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by antar

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Well, the post IS timestamped, I believe.... I started to read the blurb and went *whuh?*, and looked at my watch. Twice.

The military presence? It's called a frog in a kettle of water. We're the frog. We're sitting in a kettle of water. the heat gets turned up ever.... so..... sloooooooowly........ and the frog gets used to the heat, doesn't jump out, and you've got a boiled frog.

There is no difference, one simply establishes a precedent for another.

However, for many years (I have verified from at least the late 70's) active military personnel were trained for operation in the US in case of massive disaster. Hence, this is not a new thing.

Doesn't the National guard serve the purpose of protecting from within?

Nobody in this thread could summarize it better than that.

Wheres the emergency? I don't see any???

Mannnnnn, you are in the wrong place, hahahaha.

I agree its no conspiracy here, but just the same, there is no need to pull out the NG card when there is no emergency. IMO, they will start to abuse this power to make their jobs easier.
"Oh this sporting event needs the national gaurd, better safe then sorry!"

Last time I checked, the NG costs tax payer money, and calling them up everytime a cat gets stuck in a tree, is a waste of resources. Im not saying this is like having a cat stuck in a tree, but you let the government slide here, slide there, and they will try to slide everywhere.

If we want the NG to start being put at high security risk events, write it in with the law. Right now they are only meant for when an emergency is TAKING PLACE, not if there is reason to believe something MIGHT take place.

btw, no S&F for this thread

[edit on 1-1-2009 by grimreaper797]

nice strawman

the correct answer is : " the guard can be deployed where and when the govenor deems it nessecary "

reply to post by grimreaper797

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Nobody, including myself, would argue against the notion of deploying NG at New Year's Rockin' Eve as a waste of resources. However, as a governor, it would seem the prudent thing to do. Your state has one of the biggest and quite possibly the most influential city in the world, a massacre occured in Mumbai just weeks ago, there is war in the Middle East, etc.

Magician put it the best. Conspiracy theorists will look for trouble at will.

Using uniformed troops is bit idiotic imo. If they really want to address security issues surely undercover operatives would do better? That in compination with uniformed police used to be enough. I'm sure that soon enough your local post offices and other government institutes need 'protection' too.

I think I found out why the Guard was in NY. The Clintons were there for New years. Maybe they figured there'd be a Lewinski or 2 in the crowd, and wanted to protect themselves?;D

You know in all seriousness, what would the NG actually have done if there was a terrorist act? Lets face it, that is why the Govenor called them out. To deter and prevent one. The problem being is that with every single person wearing a heavy coat, how would you be able to tell who was the terrorist with 40lbs of C4 strapped to them, and who is a reveler? Seriously how could they stop 5 bombers from killing literally thousands just as the ball dropped?

I can understand the police presence, and a significant, strong one at that, but the military can not prevent an attack like that, nor a Jet hitting times square, or any other possible terrorist attack some idiot comes up with.

I reiterate. The sad fact is, that without intelligence, you can not deter a terrorist attack. You need the names, the pictures of these people, what the plan is. Taking thousands of soldiers and police and putting them in the same spot is nothing more then adding more fish to the barrel to shot. Yes, they can handle the after math, but they can't prevent. If its the aftermath your worried about, your NG unless there all MP are not trained to handle that.

Leave the policing to the police, It only makes sense. If you need support, call in the FBI. These are the people that are charged with protecting the u.s. population. The NG is the army, that is not there role. There role is to prevent invasion. While I respect them and everyone in the military, there is clearly defined roles, they should be utilized as such.

You wouldn't use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail would you? Yes is can be done, but its not the most effective method.

On a side note, I am glad nothing happened, and look forward to hopefully a better year, regardless of my better judgement. Happy New Year everyone!

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case in point www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Cheers,

Camain

[edit on 1-1-2009 by camain]

It is January 1, 2009. It has been an uneventual, safe New Year's Eve.

No violations of Posse Comatitus have been reported.

The doomsayers and conspiracy nuts have been wrong. Again. How many times can they get it wrong before they lose (what) credibility?