So what if it is unconstitutional? It is outdated, and is sadly, being exploited for other reasons than keeping the peace. I highly doubt that something is actually going to go down tonight, but just the sheer presence, unlike BEFORE, is an immediate flag for me, and others, and for god cause.

LOL @ all the folks showing up here CHEERLEADING this on.

You people are EXACTLY why things like the Patriot Act and Homegrown Terrorism act were able to be slipped through, with your complete apathy and "there's nothing to see here" mentality.

Tide-That's right I've been talking about this for over a year, and guess what smart guy? It has been increasing all over the place! Just because you are deaf, dumb and blind to what is going on, don't expect everyone else to be. And as to your lame comment about "when will I give it up"? The answer is NEVER. If I see something that concerns me, I will talk about it and put focus on it-PERIOD. You don't like it? Tough.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
LOL @ all the folks showing up here CHEERLEADING this on.

You people are EXACTLY why things like the Patriot Act and Homegrown Terrorism act were able to be slipped through, with your complete apathy and "there's nothing to see here" mentality.

Tide-That's right I've been talking about this for over a year, and guess what smart guy? It has been increasing all over the place! Just because you are deaf, dumb and blind to what is going on, don't expect everyone else to be. And as to your lame comment about "when will I give it up"? The answer is NEVER. If I see something that concerns me, I will talk about it and put focus on it-PERIOD. You don't like it? Tough.

Demonization - the hallmark of a conspiracy theorist.

Its in the Constituion, the very Constitution and law you claim to be protecting and upholding. Read it. It clearly states that governors are exempt from Posse Comitatus and that they are well within their right to deploy National Guard units within their state if the necessity arises. The article you cite gives no indication that a violation of Posse Comitatus will even take place. They are merely standing by IF the need arises. You do not understand Posse Comitatus or state's rights (another thing you all claim to uphold), obviously.

Other than that, its pretty clear your conspiratorial rant has been stopped dead in its tracks.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Military patrolling our streets is of no concern to you? Cool.
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If you're not comfortable with the state governor having such authoritity, then you are many years late. This has been in place for over 100 years now and it is related to the idea of Posse Comitatus.

It pays to know history.

The only thing left on this thread as of yet, and I'm waiting to hear it:

"They're protecting us from the terrorists!"

LOL

why do we need the national guard to patrol the city now. If you say because of terrorist and 9/11 then why haven't the NG been patrolling every major city during every holiday since 9/11? Why do it now? What threats are there? The people that are ok with us are the people that play into the fear mongering, yeah it's no big deal right now and nothing major is going to happen tonight, that's not the point.

The point is you keep giving away inch after inch and pretty soon your not gonna have anything left to stand on. These DUI checkpoints, border checkpoints 30 miles away from the border, and NG patrolling are obviously no threat to a legal American. But that's not why people like DD and others are concerned, they're concerned because they see the bigger picture something most Americans don't do. American society is all about the here and now but trust me the true intelligent people (good or evil) are always planning for the future, this is a big deal for the bigger picture.

New York city is probably going to be taken over tonight by the national guard. Just you wait and see! And if not well then the posters here can let this thread drift off down the board and start posting about a new boogie man. I believe something big is probably scheduled to happen in August. It always is right?

Happy New Years EVe - Don't let the National Guard get ya!


[edit on 31-12-2008 by zerotime]

Originally posted by jd140
Wonder what will happen tomorrow when nothing happens and no military take over took place.

All of those in NY, see you tomorrow.................with all your rights in place and secure.

What will happen when nothing happens? Why nothing of course. How incredibly profound.

But your point is still well made. Since we know that incrementalism does not exist, then we can deduce that if there is no military takeover of NYC tomorrow, then we have nothing to worry about.

Now let’s all join together an sing Pollyanna shall we?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I'm glad they are here in the USA - where they belong - rather then over in Iraq or Afghanistan. Our National Guard does NOT belong over there.

Spectacular point!

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It never ceases to amaze me how so many are blind to how they are being acclimated to having troops patrolling their streets. No, it’s not going to happen literally tomorrow. Does that mean that it’s not happening? It’s happening all right, and all the denial in the world won’t stop it.

Originally posted by truthquest
I have not read the act but am curious about why you said the governor can call in troops "if the need arises". Is a large-scale party something that actually requires military presence to make sure it goes smoothly? If the governor is only allowed to call out his troops based on necessity then he may have a class action lawsuit on his hands.

Key to understanding the rationale behind this is to realize that the National Guard is not operating in a direct law enforcement capacity. They are there to lend assistance should the need arise. In other words, you are wrong to say the military presence is there to ensure the party goes smoothly. Rather, the military presence is there to lend a hand should the party not go smoothly. That way, instead of waiting hours for a mobilization to take place, there is instead a contingent already mobilized and ready to act if/when the need arises.

"Necessity" is also a vague term in that different situations provide different perceptions of what necessity is. The Insurrection Act comes with a decision-making algorithm that determines exactly when the President is allowed to step in and commit military forces on U.S. soil. The algorithm is not entirely specific as to what constitutes an emergency, because it is impossible to make that judgment pre facto. For example, a professional event can easily set off civil unrest. However, if sporting events are specifically mentioned as situations where the National Guard or federal forces can be deployed, then we could see the military mobilized for every sporting event. This is absolutely unacceptable, so a high degree of vagueness is necessary to prevent misuse of authority and resources.

When I said "if the necessity arises," know that it assumes the governor will actually conduct a proper assessment before committing National Guard units to the incident.

Well well well, now all we need are a handful of *cough* Anarchist's, whether real or implanted and we can all start begging the military to protect us.

Where will this end? They are really pushing the limits, next thing you know they will be the only ones allowed at private birthday parties, because we all know just how dangerous those clown's can be...

Since when do we judge a crowd at a new years eve tradition as guilty, suspicious before the event even happens and spend millions on additional military support to 'control' the party goers?

For those of you who are placing your obvious spin on this situation, take a flying leap!