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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 05:59 PM by truth_seeker3
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So what if it is unconstitutional? It is outdated, and is sadly, being exploited for other reasons than keeping the peace. I highly doubt that
something is actually going to go down tonight, but just the sheer presence, unlike BEFORE, is an immediate flag for me, and others, and for god
cause.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:15 PM by DimensionalDetective
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LOL @ all the folks showing up here CHEERLEADING this on.
You people are EXACTLY why things like the Patriot Act and Homegrown Terrorism act were able to be slipped through, with your complete apathy and
"there's nothing to see here" mentality.
Tide-That's right I've been talking about this for over a year, and guess what smart guy? It has been increasing all over the place! Just because
you are deaf, dumb and blind to what is going on, don't expect everyone else to be. And as to your lame comment about "when will I give it up"? The
answer is NEVER. If I see something that concerns me, I will talk about it and put focus on it-PERIOD. You don't like it? Tough.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:43 PM by reconpilot
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Let the deaf dumb and blind 'patriots' have their cake DD. It will taste bitter and gravely when its served up to them by their masters .
Its all a case of boiling the frog slowly in the pot . Aclimatisation followed by total lock down. When the lid goes on the pot it will be to late
for these fools .
America is a bankrupt police state in all but name now. And the world does not need her to keep on turning .
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:49 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
LOL @ all the folks showing up here CHEERLEADING this on.
You people are EXACTLY why things like the Patriot Act and Homegrown Terrorism act were able to be slipped through, with your complete apathy and
"there's nothing to see here" mentality.
Tide-That's right I've been talking about this for over a year, and guess what smart guy? It has been increasing all over the place! Just because
you are deaf, dumb and blind to what is going on, don't expect everyone else to be. And as to your lame comment about "when will I give it up"? The
answer is NEVER. If I see something that concerns me, I will talk about it and put focus on it-PERIOD. You don't like it? Tough.
Demonization - the hallmark of a conspiracy theorist.
Its in the Constituion, the very Constitution and law you claim to be protecting and upholding. Read it. It clearly states that governors are exempt
from Posse Comitatus and that they are well within their right to deploy National Guard units within their state if the necessity arises. The article
you cite gives no indication that a violation of Posse Comitatus will even take place. They are merely standing by IF the need arises. You do not
understand Posse Comitatus or state's rights (another thing you all claim to uphold), obviously.
Other than that, its pretty clear your conspiratorial rant has been stopped dead in its tracks.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:53 PM by DimensionalDetective
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Nah-Only to complacent people like you. But keep grinning and watching your big screen.
Military patrolling our streets is of no concern to you? Cool.
It is to me. We'll agree to disagree.
Peace.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:58 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Military patrolling our streets is of no concern to you? Cool.
[edit on 31-12-2008 by DimensionalDetective]
If you're not comfortable with the state governor having such authoritity, then you are many years late. This has been in place for over 100 years
now and it is related to the idea of Posse Comitatus.
It pays to know history.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:03 PM by DimensionalDetective
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It also pays to actually READ THE NEWS.
This isn't solely relegated by ANY MEANS to this event here. As I already stated in my OP, this will be going down at the inauguration on an even
WIDER scale, and right in my area the military is conducting "sobriety check points" alongside the CHP. And it's funny, on every one of these
threads reporting each additional military / police exercize on domestic soil, folks chime in, just like you have here, how it's a wonderful thing.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:06 PM by DimensionalDetective
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The only thing left on this thread as of yet, and I'm waiting to hear it:
"They're protecting us from the terrorists!"
LOL
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:11 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo
It also pays to actually READ THE NEWS.
This isn't solely relegated by ANY MEANS to this event here. As I already stated in my OP, this will be going down at the inauguration on an even
WIDER scale, and right in my area the military is conducting "sobriety check points" alongside the CHP. And it's funny, on every one of these
threads reporting each additional military / police exercize on domestic soil, folks chime in, just like you have here, how it's a wonderful
thing.
Yeah and when you read the news, like the one you linked to, it shows NO indication whatsoever that any violation of the law, violation of Posse
Comitatus, or the rights of Americans has occured.
Its a mobilized, more visible standby under state authority. Nothing more.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:15 PM by DimensionalDetective
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Well, that's cool, I see your stance on this. It is of zero concern to you. That's fine. Like I said above, we'll have to agree to disagree on the
ramifications of this. With everything else that is going on over the past couple of years, this stuff concerns me greatly. I don't expect everyone
to share the same concerns as myself.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:20 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
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Its an absolute insult for you to pretend like it doesn't concern me. Of course it does, that's why I'm addressing it. The difference is, you're
concerned about a threat that is not substantiated in any way, shape or form by the evidence. It concerns me because civil-military relations is one
of the most important cornerstones of any society.
There are no conspiracies. Get over it.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:27 PM by Anonymous ATS
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why do we need the national guard to patrol the city now. If you say because of terrorist and 9/11 then why haven't the NG been patrolling every
major city during every holiday since 9/11? Why do it now? What threats are there? The people that are ok with us are the people that play into the
fear mongering, yeah it's no big deal right now and nothing major is going to happen tonight, that's not the point.
The point is you keep giving away inch after inch and pretty soon your not gonna have anything left to stand on. These DUI checkpoints, border
checkpoints 30 miles away from the border, and NG patrolling are obviously no threat to a legal American. But that's not why people like DD and
others are concerned, they're concerned because they see the bigger picture something most Americans don't do. American society is all about the
here and now but trust me the true intelligent people (good or evil) are always planning for the future, this is a big deal for the bigger picture.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:37 PM by zerotime
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New York city is probably going to be taken over tonight by the national guard. Just you wait and see! And if not well then the posters here can let
this thread drift off down the board and start posting about a new boogie man. I believe something big is probably scheduled to happen in August. It
always is right?
Happy New Years EVe - Don't let the National Guard get ya!
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:41 PM by reconpilot
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Yeah ,thats right . You just keep on waving the flag with your head up your butt . You'll see soon enough . When its your friends and family getting
rounded up for thought crimes and trumped up terrorist charges .
But I guess you figure your safe being a governement flunkie yes ?
I would not count on it .
I suppose your going to tell me extraordinary rendition is okay too ?
And abu graib was a neccesary evil. It was our unit that exposed those pictures to the world .
Well ,your numb nuts at Langley have not managed to round me up yet ,though its not for lack of trying.....
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:42 PM by truthquest
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I have not read the act but am curious about why you said the governor can call in troops "if the need arises". Is a large-scale party something
that actually requires military presence to make sure it goes smoothly? If the governor is only allowed to call out his troops based on
necessity then he may have a class action lawsuit on his hands.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:43 PM by wylekat
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Not only is the Guard out, it's already happened.
I kid you not, this news item from Yahoo.... It's 8:41 here- did I do a time warp?
us.mc354.mail.yahoo.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Let's do the time warp again!
AP - Americans had no problem saying goodbye to 2008 Wednesday, but the nation's economic troubles made many of them less interested in giving it an
expensive send-off. Hundreds of thousands of revelers packed a frigid Times Square for the dropping of the famous Waterford crystal ball, and many
other New Year's Eve traditions around the country were in place, but some festivities fell victim to hard times.
*shakes head*
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:52 PM by resistor
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Originally posted by jd140
Wonder what will happen tomorrow when nothing happens and no military take over took place.
All of those in NY, see you tomorrow.................with all your rights in place and secure.
What will happen when nothing happens? Why nothing of course. How incredibly profound.
But your point is still well made. Since we know that incrementalism does not exist, then we can deduce that if there is no military takeover of NYC
tomorrow, then we have nothing to worry about.
Now let’s all join together an sing Pollyanna shall we?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
I'm glad they are here in the USA - where they belong - rather then over in Iraq or Afghanistan. Our National Guard does NOT belong over there.
Spectacular point!
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It never ceases to amaze me how so many are blind to how they are being acclimated to having troops patrolling their streets. No, it’s not going to
happen literally tomorrow. Does that mean that it’s not happening? It’s happening all right, and all the denial in the world won’t stop it.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 08:17 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
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Originally posted by truthquest
I have not read the act but am curious about why you said the governor can call in troops "if the need arises". Is a large-scale party something
that actually requires military presence to make sure it goes smoothly? If the governor is only allowed to call out his troops based on
necessity then he may have a class action lawsuit on his hands.
Key to understanding the rationale behind this is to realize that the National Guard is not operating in a direct law enforcement capacity. They are
there to lend assistance should the need arise. In other words, you are wrong to say the military presence is there to ensure the party goes smoothly.
Rather, the military presence is there to lend a hand should the party not go smoothly. That way, instead of waiting hours for a mobilization to take
place, there is instead a contingent already mobilized and ready to act if/when the need arises.
"Necessity" is also a vague term in that different situations provide different perceptions of what necessity is. The Insurrection Act comes with a
decision-making algorithm that determines exactly when the President is allowed to step in and commit military forces on U.S. soil. The algorithm is
not entirely specific as to what constitutes an emergency, because it is impossible to make that judgment pre facto. For example, a professional event
can easily set off civil unrest. However, if sporting events are specifically mentioned as situations where the National Guard or federal forces can
be deployed, then we could see the military mobilized for every sporting event. This is absolutely unacceptable, so a high degree of vagueness is
necessary to prevent misuse of authority and resources.
When I said "if the necessity arises," know that it assumes the governor will actually conduct a proper assessment before committing National Guard
units to the incident.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 08:33 PM by antar
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Well well well, now all we need are a handful of *cough* Anarchist's, whether real or implanted and we can all start begging the military to protect
us.
Where will this end? They are really pushing the limits, next thing you know they will be the only ones allowed at private birthday parties, because
we all know just how dangerous those clown's can be...
Since when do we judge a crowd at a new years eve tradition as guilty, suspicious before the event even happens and spend millions on additional
military support to 'control' the party goers?
For those of you who are placing your obvious spin on this situation, take a flying leap!
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 08:37 PM by antar
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Originally posted by wylekat
Not only is the Guard out, it's already happened.
I kid you not, this news item from Yahoo.... It's 8:41 here- did I do a time warp?
us.mc354.mail.yahoo.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Let's do the time warp again!
AP - Americans had no problem saying goodbye to 2008 Wednesday, but the nation's economic troubles made many of them less interested in giving it an
expensive send-off. Hundreds of thousands of revelers packed a frigid Times Square for the dropping of the famous Waterford crystal ball, and many
other New Year's Eve traditions around the country were in place, but some festivities fell victim to hard times.
*shakes head*
Ok now I thought these kinds of finds were part of my private world...
Reminds me of the fact the reporters were talkng about the second tower falling in europe before it actually did. WOW!!! I stared you, I guess
everyone else will read your post tomorrow and figure your just a kook.
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