National Guard Soldiers To Usher In New Year at Times Square, page 2
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:43 PM by reconpilot
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



Let the deaf dumb and blind 'patriots' have their cake DD. It will taste bitter and gravely when its served up to them by their masters .

Its all a case of boiling the frog slowly in the pot . Aclimatisation followed by total lock down. When the lid goes on the pot it will be to late for these fools .

America is a bankrupt police state in all but name now. And the world does not need her to keep on turning .



reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:53 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo



Nah-Only to complacent people like you. But keep grinning and watching your big screen.

Military patrolling our streets is of no concern to you? Cool.

It is to me. We'll agree to disagree.

Peace.


[edit on 31-12-2008 by DimensionalDetective]


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:03 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo



It also pays to actually READ THE NEWS.

This isn't solely relegated by ANY MEANS to this event here. As I already stated in my OP, this will be going down at the inauguration on an even WIDER scale, and right in my area the military is conducting "sobriety check points" alongside the CHP. And it's funny, on every one of these threads reporting each additional military / police exercize on domestic soil, folks chime in, just like you have here, how it's a wonderful thing.


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:11 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to
post by sweatmonicaIdo



It also pays to actually READ THE NEWS.

This isn't solely relegated by ANY MEANS to this event here. As I already stated in my OP, this will be going down at the inauguration on an even WIDER scale, and right in my area the military is conducting "sobriety check points" alongside the CHP. And it's funny, on every one of these threads reporting each additional military / police exercize on domestic soil, folks chime in, just like you have here, how it's a wonderful thing.



Yeah and when you read the news, like the one you linked to, it shows NO indication whatsoever that any violation of the law, violation of Posse Comitatus, or the rights of Americans has occured.

Its a mobilized, more visible standby under state authority. Nothing more.


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:15 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo



Well, that's cool, I see your stance on this. It is of zero concern to you. That's fine. Like I said above, we'll have to agree to disagree on the ramifications of this. With everything else that is going on over the past couple of years, this stuff concerns me greatly. I don't expect everyone to share the same concerns as myself.


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:20 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



Its an absolute insult for you to pretend like it doesn't concern me. Of course it does, that's why I'm addressing it. The difference is, you're concerned about a threat that is not substantiated in any way, shape or form by the evidence. It concerns me because civil-military relations is one of the most important cornerstones of any society.

There are no conspiracies. Get over it.


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:41 PM by reconpilot
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo



Yeah ,thats right . You just keep on waving the flag with your head up your butt . You'll see soon enough . When its your friends and family getting rounded up for thought crimes and trumped up terrorist charges .

But I guess you figure your safe being a governement flunkie yes ?

I would not count on it .

I suppose your going to tell me extraordinary rendition is okay too ?
And abu graib was a neccesary evil. It was our unit that exposed those pictures to the world .

Well ,your numb nuts at Langley have not managed to round me up yet ,though its not for lack of trying.....


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:42 PM by truthquest
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo



I have not read the act but am curious about why you said the governor can call in troops "if the need arises". Is a large-scale party something that actually requires military presence to make sure it goes smoothly? If the governor is only allowed to call out his troops based on necessity then he may have a class action lawsuit on his hands.



reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:43 PM by wylekat
Not only is the Guard out, it's already happened.

I kid you not, this news item from Yahoo.... It's 8:41 here- did I do a time warp?
us.mc354.mail.yahoo.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Let's do the time warp again!



AP - Americans had no problem saying goodbye to 2008 Wednesday, but the nation's economic troubles made many of them less interested in giving it an expensive send-off. Hundreds of thousands of revelers packed a frigid Times Square for the dropping of the famous Waterford crystal ball, and many other New Year's Eve traditions around the country were in place, but some festivities fell victim to hard times.


*shakes head*


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 08:17 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
Originally posted by truthquest
I have not read the act but am curious about why you said the governor can call in troops "if the need arises". Is a large-scale party something that actually requires military presence to make sure it goes smoothly? If the governor is only allowed to call out his troops based on necessity then he may have a class action lawsuit on his hands.


Key to understanding the rationale behind this is to realize that the National Guard is not operating in a direct law enforcement capacity. They are there to lend assistance should the need arise. In other words, you are wrong to say the military presence is there to ensure the party goes smoothly. Rather, the military presence is there to lend a hand should the party not go smoothly. That way, instead of waiting hours for a mobilization to take place, there is instead a contingent already mobilized and ready to act if/when the need arises.

"Necessity" is also a vague term in that different situations provide different perceptions of what necessity is. The Insurrection Act comes with a decision-making algorithm that determines exactly when the President is allowed to step in and commit military forces on U.S. soil. The algorithm is not entirely specific as to what constitutes an emergency, because it is impossible to make that judgment pre facto. For example, a professional event can easily set off civil unrest. However, if sporting events are specifically mentioned as situations where the National Guard or federal forces can be deployed, then we could see the military mobilized for every sporting event. This is absolutely unacceptable, so a high degree of vagueness is necessary to prevent misuse of authority and resources.

When I said "if the necessity arises," know that it assumes the governor will actually conduct a proper assessment before committing National Guard units to the incident.


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 08:37 PM by antar
Originally posted by wylekat
Not only is the Guard out, it's already happened.

I kid you not, this news item from Yahoo.... It's 8:41 here- did I do a time warp?
us.mc354.mail.yahoo.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Let's do the time warp again!



AP - Americans had no problem saying goodbye to 2008 Wednesday, but the nation's economic troubles made many of them less interested in giving it an expensive send-off. Hundreds of thousands of revelers packed a frigid Times Square for the dropping of the famous Waterford crystal ball, and many other New Year's Eve traditions around the country were in place, but some festivities fell victim to hard times.


*shakes head*


Ok now I thought these kinds of finds were part of my private world...
Reminds me of the fact the reporters were talkng about the second tower falling in europe before it actually did. WOW!!! I stared you, I guess everyone else will read your post tomorrow and figure your just a kook.

[edit on 31-12-2008 by antar]
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