National Guard Soldiers To Usher In New Year at Times Square

So what if it is unconstitutional? It is outdated, and is sadly, being exploited for other reasons than keeping the peace. I highly doubt that something is actually going to go down tonight, but just the sheer presence, unlike BEFORE, is an immediate flag for me, and others, and for god cause.

LOL @ all the folks showing up here CHEERLEADING this on.

You people are EXACTLY why things like the Patriot Act and Homegrown Terrorism act were able to be slipped through, with your complete apathy and "there's nothing to see here" mentality.

Tide-That's right I've been talking about this for over a year, and guess what smart guy? It has been increasing all over the place! Just because you are deaf, dumb and blind to what is going on, don't expect everyone else to be. And as to your lame comment about "when will I give it up"? The answer is NEVER. If I see something that concerns me, I will talk about it and put focus on it-PERIOD. You don't like it? Tough.

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Let the deaf dumb and blind 'patriots' have their cake DD. It will taste bitter and gravely when its served up to them by their masters .

Its all a case of boiling the frog slowly in the pot . Aclimatisation followed by total lock down. When the lid goes on the pot it will be to late for these fools .

America is a bankrupt police state in all but name now. And the world does not need her to keep on turning .

Demonization - the hallmark of a conspiracy theorist.

Its in the Constituion, the very Constitution and law you claim to be protecting and upholding. Read it. It clearly states that governors are exempt from Posse Comitatus and that they are well within their right to deploy National Guard units within their state if the necessity arises. The article you cite gives no indication that a violation of Posse Comitatus will even take place. They are merely standing by IF the need arises. You do not understand Posse Comitatus or state's rights (another thing you all claim to uphold), obviously.

Other than that, its pretty clear your conspiratorial rant has been stopped dead in its tracks.

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Nah-Only to complacent people like you. But keep grinning and watching your big screen.

Military patrolling our streets is of no concern to you? Cool.

It is to me. We'll agree to disagree.

Peace.


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If you're not comfortable with the state governor having such authoritity, then you are many years late. This has been in place for over 100 years now and it is related to the idea of Posse Comitatus.

It pays to know history.

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It also pays to actually READ THE NEWS.

This isn't solely relegated by ANY MEANS to this event here. As I already stated in my OP, this will be going down at the inauguration on an even WIDER scale, and right in my area the military is conducting "sobriety check points" alongside the CHP. And it's funny, on every one of these threads reporting each additional military / police exercize on domestic soil, folks chime in, just like you have here, how it's a wonderful thing.

The only thing left on this thread as of yet, and I'm waiting to hear it:

"They're protecting us from the terrorists!"

LOL

Yeah and when you read the news, like the one you linked to, it shows NO indication whatsoever that any violation of the law, violation of Posse Comitatus, or the rights of Americans has occured.

Its a mobilized, more visible standby under state authority. Nothing more.

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Well, that's cool, I see your stance on this. It is of zero concern to you. That's fine. Like I said above, we'll have to agree to disagree on the ramifications of this. With everything else that is going on over the past couple of years, this stuff concerns me greatly. I don't expect everyone to share the same concerns as myself.

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Its an absolute insult for you to pretend like it doesn't concern me. Of course it does, that's why I'm addressing it. The difference is, you're concerned about a threat that is not substantiated in any way, shape or form by the evidence. It concerns me because civil-military relations is one of the most important cornerstones of any society.

There are no conspiracies. Get over it.

why do we need the national guard to patrol the city now. If you say because of terrorist and 9/11 then why haven't the NG been patrolling every major city during every holiday since 9/11? Why do it now? What threats are there? The people that are ok with us are the people that play into the fear mongering, yeah it's no big deal right now and nothing major is going to happen tonight, that's not the point.

The point is you keep giving away inch after inch and pretty soon your not gonna have anything left to stand on. These DUI checkpoints, border checkpoints 30 miles away from the border, and NG patrolling are obviously no threat to a legal American. But that's not why people like DD and others are concerned, they're concerned because they see the bigger picture something most Americans don't do. American society is all about the here and now but trust me the true intelligent people (good or evil) are always planning for the future, this is a big deal for the bigger picture.

New York city is probably going to be taken over tonight by the national guard. Just you wait and see! And if not well then the posters here can let this thread drift off down the board and start posting about a new boogie man. I believe something big is probably scheduled to happen in August. It always is right?

Happy New Years EVe - Don't let the National Guard get ya!


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Yeah ,thats right . You just keep on waving the flag with your head up your butt . You'll see soon enough . When its your friends and family getting rounded up for thought crimes and trumped up terrorist charges .

But I guess you figure your safe being a governement flunkie yes ?

I would not count on it .

I suppose your going to tell me extraordinary rendition is okay too ?
And abu graib was a neccesary evil. It was our unit that exposed those pictures to the world .

Well ,your numb nuts at Langley have not managed to round me up yet ,though its not for lack of trying.....

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I have not read the act but am curious about why you said the governor can call in troops "if the need arises". Is a large-scale party something that actually requires military presence to make sure it goes smoothly? If the governor is only allowed to call out his troops based on necessity then he may have a class action lawsuit on his hands.

Not only is the Guard out, it's already happened.

I kid you not, this news item from Yahoo.... It's 8:41 here- did I do a time warp?
us.mc354.mail.yahoo.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Let's do the time warp again!




*shakes head*

What will happen when nothing happens? Why nothing of course. How incredibly profound.

But your point is still well made. Since we know that incrementalism does not exist, then we can deduce that if there is no military takeover of NYC tomorrow, then we have nothing to worry about.

Now let’s all join together an sing Pollyanna shall we?



Spectacular point!

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It never ceases to amaze me how so many are blind to how they are being acclimated to having troops patrolling their streets. No, it’s not going to happen literally tomorrow. Does that mean that it’s not happening? It’s happening all right, and all the denial in the world won’t stop it.

Key to understanding the rationale behind this is to realize that the National Guard is not operating in a direct law enforcement capacity. They are there to lend assistance should the need arise. In other words, you are wrong to say the military presence is there to ensure the party goes smoothly. Rather, the military presence is there to lend a hand should the party not go smoothly. That way, instead of waiting hours for a mobilization to take place, there is instead a contingent already mobilized and ready to act if/when the need arises.

"Necessity" is also a vague term in that different situations provide different perceptions of what necessity is. The Insurrection Act comes with a decision-making algorithm that determines exactly when the President is allowed to step in and commit military forces on U.S. soil. The algorithm is not entirely specific as to what constitutes an emergency, because it is impossible to make that judgment pre facto. For example, a professional event can easily set off civil unrest. However, if sporting events are specifically mentioned as situations where the National Guard or federal forces can be deployed, then we could see the military mobilized for every sporting event. This is absolutely unacceptable, so a high degree of vagueness is necessary to prevent misuse of authority and resources.

When I said "if the necessity arises," know that it assumes the governor will actually conduct a proper assessment before committing National Guard units to the incident.

Well well well, now all we need are a handful of *cough* Anarchist's, whether real or implanted and we can all start begging the military to protect us.

Where will this end? They are really pushing the limits, next thing you know they will be the only ones allowed at private birthday parties, because we all know just how dangerous those clown's can be...

Since when do we judge a crowd at a new years eve tradition as guilty, suspicious before the event even happens and spend millions on additional military support to 'control' the party goers?

For those of you who are placing your obvious spin on this situation, take a flying leap!

Ok now I thought these kinds of finds were part of my private world...
Reminds me of the fact the reporters were talkng about the second tower falling in europe before it actually did. WOW!!! I stared you, I guess everyone else will read your post tomorrow and figure your just a kook.

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