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Topic started on 30-12-2008 @ 09:22 PM by Thurisaz
I have just read this:
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Esau, the First Zionist

Esau believed that the land of Canaan was rightfully his and that his brother, Jacob, had unlawfully usurped the land. All through history, it was his desire to evict Jacob and to conquer or settle the land in place of Jacob. While Jacob’s descendants were in Egypt, the main tribe called Edom settled in the Arabah just south of the Dead Sea all the way to the Gulf of Akaba. The Amalekites, who were another branch from Esau, settled to their west in the Negev, directly south of Canaan. The Amalekites attacked Israel as they were coming out of Egypt under Moses (Ex. 17). In this sense, they were Israel’s oldest enemies and probably were determined to prevent them from returning to Canaan.

Centuries later, in the days of Gideon, Israel was in captivity to an alliance of three people: Amalek, Midian, and the children of the East (Judges 6:3). So we find Amalek still the enemy of Israel and desirous of putting them into captivity.

When Judah was taken captive to Babylon, Edom rejoiced at their downfall, for this meant that they might be able to settle the land of Canaan. This is mentioned in Ezekiel 35 in a prophecy directed specifically at Edom.


Things don't look too good for Esau Edom...
Esau Edom

Though you make your nest as high as the eagle's, I will bring you down from there, says the LORD. "Edom shall become a horror; every one who passes by it will be horrified and will hiss because of all its disasters. As when Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighbor cities were overthrown, says the LORD, no man shall dwell there, no man shall sojourn in her. Behold, like a lion coming up from the jungle of the Jordan against a strong sheepfold, I will suddenly make them run away from her; and I will appoint over her whomever I choose. For who is like me? Who will summon me? What shepherd can stand before me? Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the purposes which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea. Behold, one shall mount up and fly swiftly like an eagle, and spread his wings against Bozrah, and the heart of the warriors of Edom shall be in that day like the heart of a woman in her pangs." (Jeremiah 49:7-22)



There are some very learned people on ATS and just hoping the learned people would be so kind to add some wisdom here

edit fix tags, spelling and grammar pfft lol


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reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 11:07 PM by Thurisaz
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation



oh I don't get your point.

I don't care about the politics of Israel or Palestine... I just wanted to find out some info about this article...

cheers


reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 11:09 PM by eldard
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation



Oh, golly. You made a joke about the oppression of a legal state by the squatters.

And we all know only Germans can invent something to prevent flies from flying into coffees.


reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 11:22 PM by RuneSpider
reply to post by Thurisaz



The Protocols of Zion are a old Hoax, Zionism does exist, it was the movement to establish Israel, and most Zionists pretty much moved to Israel when it was formed.



reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 11:36 PM by Thurisaz
reply to post by RuneSpider



OK is Esau the first zionist then?



and is there absolute proof there is an org called Zionists?

see you can see why I needed smart people in here LOL


reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 11:42 PM by RuneSpider
reply to post by Thurisaz



You could consider him a Zionist then, yes.

As for absolute proof of the organization, yes.
Zionism on Wiki
The Zionist movement is structured as a representative democracy. Congresses are held every four years (they were held every two years before the second World War) and delegates to the congress are elected by the membership. Members are required to pay dues known as a "shekel," At the congress, delegates elected a 30-man executive council, which in turn elects the movement's leader. The movement was democratic from its inception and women had the right to vote (before they won the right in Great Britain).


Bit about the protocols as well.
en.wikipedia.org...

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reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 11:44 PM by Thurisaz
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hmm well thanks for that, if that is true then the article/prophecy doesn't look too good for the Zionists?



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