israel haters / anti semites please listen up

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation

 

And yes the US backing Israel is the reason the middle east hates us. They should have washed they're hands of that a long time ago.

TURN OFF ISRAELI TV!!!!!

Watch any video of Osama Bin Laden, Hammas, ANY OF THEM, they all denounce AMERICA for siding with ISRAEL!!!! Not the other way around!!!! Wow, if that's the new israeli spin i'm gonna puke!!!

Unless your American, in that case, I agree fully lol

[edit on 31-12-2008 by breakingdradles]

The Jewish people have been persecuted for centuries for one main thing in particular, and I know many will flame me for this, but the truth hurts.

Jewish people as a community are reknowned for backstabbing and wheeling and dealing and doing whatever it takes to make an extra dollar. Some may say that this is the spirit of Capitalism, and so be it. But the turth is many have been shafted over the centuries and have bred anger and hatred over it and have turned it towards the jewish peoples.

Jewish people have tried through the centuries to get close as possible to royalty and those in power, to expand their influence. We see that today, with jews being in influential positions everywhere, from Government, to Media to Finance.

The holocaust of the Second World War was truly a bad thing, but it was not the only holocaust to have happened, and the 6 million figure was a number made up at a UN conference just after the War and not substantiated by an actual death toll/count.

www.ihr.org...

Even before the end of the Second World War in Europe, that is, before any careful or detailed investigation was possible, the Six Million figure was already in wide circulation. For example, in essays published in late 1944 and early 1945, the prominent Soviet-Jewish writer Ilya Ehrenburg repeatedly told his many readers that "the Germans" had killed six million Jews. In an article published in March 1945, for instance, in the English-language London weekly, Soviet War News, he wrote: "The world now knows that Germany has killed six million Jews."

By remarkable coincidence, some twenty-five years earlier the American Jewish community had been warning of a "holocaust" of six million Jews in Europe. In an address published in 1919 in a leading Jewish American paper, the American Hebrew of New York City, under the headline "The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop!," the former governor of New York state, Martin Glynn, spoke repeatedly of "six million" European Jews who were "dying" and "being whirled toward the grave" in a "threatened holocaust of human life."

This figure was not the result of any careful investigation, research, or calculation. The only specific evidence presented for it to the Nuremberg Tribunal was the hearsay testimony of former SS officer Wilhelm Höttl (sometimes spelled Hoettl), who said that he recalled it from a remark by Adolf Eichmann, the wartime head of the Jewish affairs section of Himmler's Reich Security Main Office (RSHA). Höttl, who also served with the RSHA during the war, stated in an affidavit dated November 26, 1945, and provided to the U.S. prosecution at Nuremberg, that Eichmann confided to him in August 1944 that some four million Jews had been killed in the "various extermination camps," and another two million had been killed in other ways, mostly in shootings by Einsatzgruppen forces in the course of the military campaign in Russia. [See note]

Eichmann himself, it should be noted, later called the Höttl story "nonsense," vigorously denied ever having made the alleged remark, and speculated that Höttl may have picked up the figure from a radio or newspaper report. [See note]

If it were not for Wilhelm Höttl's role in branding into the world's consciousness the trademark Six Million figure, his place in history would likely be little more than a footnote

Im pretty sure I read a report that stated that when the Soviets entered Germany, they counted only 200,000 deaths in total for all camps. Prett wide discrepency.

But what about Jewish Involvement in other holocausts?

What about the Ukrainian Holocaust of 1932 to 1933, where Jewish involvement contributed to the deaths of upto 9million peasant farmers and intellectuals.

wake-up-america.net...

In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions.
But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death - mass starvation.
All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war dead.

Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state pension.

How different when the shoes on the other foot huh?

Now that jewish community members control the media, this sort of history would never make it out. Not unless you go search for it.

But 6million figure is brainwashed by western education system into every child at school, why not tell them the rest of jewish history and complacency in genocide throughout history?

Why make it out like it is only the jewish people that were killed or massacred in WW2? like they are the only innocent people murdered?

This sort of behaviour truly deminishes the value of life placed upon, Poles, Hungars, Slavs, Gypsies, and all the other nationalities that were killed during the war.

Why is a jew worth more than anyone else?

Answer that for me please?

I can not believe that someone posted jewwatch as a reputable website.

Utterly disgusting.

Wow...

reply to post by Melbourne_Militia


Only 200,000 dead?

How do you count piles of ash?

[edit on 31-12-2008 by SLAYER69]

What a pile of rubbish, so their past troubles gives them an excuse to decimate a sovereign state, an entire people's way of life? They treat the Palestinians like sub-humans and have for years. Biggest hypocrites on earth, an eye for an eye, a genocide for a genocide, who friggin cares? We have the power now, we want revenge, doesn't matter who.

reply to post by bigheadjay


soo what about all the children that are being brainwashed at an eaarly age here in the west. to believe that arabs and muslims are greasy kabab makers who blow themselves up and are looked upon as dirty and evil. look at our media/movies which are also very highly owned by pro zionist/ or jewish owners and tell me why they shouldnt preach there own propaganda.

im not saying its right im just saying there using the same game plan.

what really is ironic is that facts are looked upon as hate. and i dont really like to use history to justify what i do.. especially when the history is written by the war makers. all i know is jews/arabs got along WAY BETTER before the zionist Isreal was created after a German Hollocaust of the jews and MANY other races beyond just jewish.

and yes there is lots of proof thru research that basically shows the richer jews of America and the Russia pulled of the hollocaust of the poorer jews and non jews. For both population controll and the eventual rise of the State of Isreal. where to this day mot of the richer class of jewish people do not reside in isreal

reply to post by plejarenentity


For as long as I can 'member, every US government has backed
Israel by allowing them to do whatever they like to whoever they
like and as often as they like. Whether Israel is right or wrong as far
as legalities go, they still back Israel. Every other country in the UN
will be opposed to what Israel does, but the US Government is still
backs Israel.

I only have one question, Why?

Ok, maybe two questions, the US Government doesn't do anything
without an ulteria motive, so what strategic advantage
could the US government gain from this?

reply to post by skeptic_al

Every other country in the UN will be opposed to what Israel does, but the US Government is still backs Israel. I only have one question, Why?

That's the 60 million dollar question isn't it. One reason may be because the Zionists are part of the U.S government? .. maybe because they have control of every major influential position in the U.S?

Which part of the "mindless bigots aren't welcome" did you not read?

Enough already.

I just want to add my two cents.

Isreal, whether its entitled to the Jewish people, or given to them unjustly, or this or that, makes more sense as a Jewish state. If it was Muslim controlled not the jews or the christians would be welcomed there. As it stands, Isreal is a center for religion. All three major religions of our time have religious ties to that tiny chunk of ground. With the ground being under the rule of the Jews, christians and muslims alike are welcomed there.

This simple fact makes it obvious that Isreal should remain a jewish state.

You can deny this all you want, you'd just be doing yourself a dis justice. You should be smarter than that.

Originally posted by Djarums
Which part of the "mindless bigots aren't welcome" did you not read?

Enough already.

Sorry to go off topic, but who exactly are you talking to Djarums?

The member who had two disgracefully bigoted and ignorant posts removed by me within a few short moments of each other.

Sorry, I wasn't clear about that.

reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo


Answering the question: why were the Jews kicked out of so many countries?

1. They were outsiders wherever they lived and therefore considered different. Everywhere the Jews lived they kept to themselves and lived in tight knit groups. They mostly lived in wagons because they were not allowed to own land or work certain jobs. Wherever they went they were the mysterious outsiders, different than the rest and therefore targets of rumors, gossips, lies, slanderous accusations, hatred, and all manner of evil hatreds. People would make up stories about them and blame them for anything they could including calling them child killers, thieves, witches, swindlers, etc.

I know the evil the human heart is capable of and I can imagine all the crap they were wrongfully accused of in the small villages throughout Europe. Anyone that has ever moved into a small town knows what it's like to be an outsider if they don't have family there or some connection to an influential group or organization. People are sick with prejudice and they gossip.

2. Persecution by religious extremists(Catholic Church). Most of Europe, Spain and later South America was Catholic.
They were considered the murderers of Christ by the Catholic Church. This inflamed people with prejudice and fueled acts of hatred which were aimed at the Jews. The Jewish cleansing rituals and the use of kosher knives and instruments plus the speaking in Hebrew during ceremonies led people to believe they were witches. The Bible condemned witchcraft. So casting them out of a city was considered serving God.

3. The Black Death was blamed on the Jews who sometimes didn't die from the disease because they had cats that would kill the rats that carried the fleas that had the plague. The Jewish desire for cleanliness prevented infection and disease that killed so many Europeans. But the biggest lie about the Jews was that they poisoned the water Christians drank so that they would die from the plague. Jews were rounded up and executed because they were blamed for spreading the Black Death. The best way to stop the plague was to kill the Jews. They were already considered witches by many. On August 24, 1349 6,000 Jews, blamed for the Plague, are killed in Mainz.

Do you need more?

reply to post by John Matrix

Answering the question: why were the Jews kicked out of so many countries?

Well it seems both you and Melbourne_Militia have conflicting answers to this question.

Can BOTH of you please provide some supporting data for your explanations? any "trusted" sources for such info?

reply to post by plejarenentity
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Israel and Jews are NOT the same thing, to elaborate further>> jews from palestine (just like other palestanians) DID exist for centuries on the land of palestine, UNLIKE ISRAEL that emerged from immigrants to establish their own state in 1948. So, it is NOT the same.

Originally posted by CapsFan8
What a pile of rubbish, so their past troubles gives them an excuse to decimate a sovereign state, an entire people's way of life?

Palestine has never been a sovereign state, it was a name used since Roman times to refer to the area that encompassed Israel, and parts of Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. If you want to be really technical about the situation, it was the Romans who removed the Sovereign Country of Israel in 70AD (which is historically well documented), so technically they have first claim to the land.

reply to post by SLAYER69


My point exactly....yes there was a large number of dead but there is no concrete way to calculate a true death toll, you yourself said it....it is NOT definitive.

When Israel was created who were the first leaders of the nation? Terrorists and murderers, a good start yeah?

www.ihr.org...

When Israel was established in May 1948, its leaders pledged that the new state would be a model of justice in the world – a “light unto the nations.” They told the world that they were founding a country in which, at long last, Jews would live in peace and security. They said that Israel would be a self-sufficient nation where Jews would prosper on the basis of their own labor, abilities and efforts.

Far from being a beacon of morality, it has deservedly earned a global reputation as an oppressive, self-righteous, arrogant and belligerent state.

Israel was founded on terrorism, massacres, ethnic cleansing and the dispossession of its native Palestinian population. Even now it violates international law, inflicts a harsh collective punishment on the civilian population of Gaza, and continues to deny Palestinians their human and national rights. In accord with its Jewish supremacist ideology, Israel’s discrimination against non-Jews is systematic and institutional. It is the only country in the region that occupies territory of its neighbors, that refuses to define its borders, and which possesses a large and illegal arsenal of nuclear weapons.

Even as a Jewish sanctuary, Israel cannot be regarded as a success. Jews are less safe and secure in Israel than almost anywhere else in the world. The great majority of Jews in the world have preferred not to live in “their” country.

And why is it that the US has to give so much aid for a country thats able to stand on its own two feet?

www.ihr.org...

Total direct US aid to Israel has amounted to well over $140 billion (in 2003 dollars). In addition, Germany and other European states and companies have paid out many billions in “restitution,” and wealthy Jewish communities, especially in the US, have provided substantial financial assistance.

So why is it that the US vehemently supports Israel, a country that has had more UN resolution put forward against it than any other?

www.ihr.org...

President Harry Truman gave US diplomatic recognition to the new Israeli state immediately following its proclamation in May 1948. In doing so, he rejected the advice of nearly every American official who was responsible for US foreign policy. Secretary of State George C. Marshall angrily told Truman that recognizing Israel would put partisan political interests above America’s national interest.

Loy Henderson, head of the State Department’s bureau for Middle East affairs, warned the President that US backing for the new Zionist state would be “contrary to the interests of the United States and will eventually involve us in international difficulties of so grave a character that the reaction throughout the world, as well as in this country, will be very strong.” Zionists, Henderson advised, “ignored such principles as self-determination and majority rule,” and instead embraced “the principle of a theocratic racial state.” He also warned that the establishment of a US-backed Zionist state “would guarantee that the Palestine problem would be permanent and still more complicated in the future.”

Which leads us to the problems we have today doesnt it?

But the point is, many Zionists have positions in the US Congress which makes the situation worse.

The fact that many media outlets are owned by Jewish businessmen contributes to the one sided portrayal of what is going on in the United States-

www.commondreams.org...

Amnesty International and other human rights organizations have decried Israel's continued aerial bombing campaign as unlawful and denounced the killing of more than 300 Palestinians since 27 December, including scores of unarmed civilians not taking part in the hostilities. Israel's attacks on the densely populated Gaza Strip also elicited condemnation from numerous world politicians and sparked protests in global cities.

Despite international outcry over escalating violence, the U.S. mainstream media continues to privilege a prepackaged narrative in which Israel's actions are never disproportionate, never counterproductive and certainly never gratuitous. According to the mainstream media, the U.S. must continue uncompromisingly supporting Israel because the allegedly beleaguered democracy is held hostage by monomaniacal Islamofascists who are inherently evil. Promoting a paradigm in which Israel is always David up against Goliath, the U.S. media presents suffering Palestinians as expendable for the greater cause of Israel winning its epic struggle.

So much for fair news reports and democracy and freedom for all. You cant even get an accurate news report anymore.