The Gaza situation. Israel's fault?, page 1
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Topic started on 30-12-2008 @ 05:40 PM by intrepid
Israel is very adept at winning the propaganda war. We see it here. "Israel has the right to exist". "Israel has the right to defend itself". Both of those statements I have no problem with. I DO have a problem with the way things go down. Hamas fires ineffective weapons at Israel and they retaliate with extreme force. Why does Hamas do this? Purely for political reasons? Maybe but what does this mean for the average Palestinian? What's s/he been through?

Let's check that.



* News
* World news

Gaza goes hungry as Israeli sanctions bite
Palestinian Authority prepares for US peace talks but Hamas is out in the cold

* Conal Urquhart in Beit Lahiya
* The Guardian, Friday 12 October 2007
* Article history

It does not take shopkeeper Salah Sultan long to count his stock. There are six tins of sardines, four bottles of vegetable oil, one packet of nappies, nine boxes of wafers and a large tin of powdered milk.

Grains and pulses have been removed from their original packing and subdivided into more affordable portions. Above the door is a space where a television used to be, and by his elbow is the Qur'an and his ledger book.

His accounts make grim reading. His customers owe him 5,000 shekels (£613), and he owes his suppliers double that. "I'm already almost closed and I really don't know for how much longer I will continue. Without the shop I could try ironing or driving a taxi. It is in God's hands," he said, pointing to the Qur'an.

As the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah and the Israeli government in Jerusalem prepare for talks in the United States next month, Gaza is excluded from the new rapprochement. Mr Sultan and others like him are facing ruin as a result of Israeli sanctions designed to weaken the Hamas government and punish their supporters.

According to a World Bank report issued last month: "Gaza's economic backbone and private sector vitality risks collapse if the current situation ... continues." The report states that 90% of Gaza's industrial production has ceased and agricultural output has fallen by 50% in 2007.

While the Gazan economy is in free fall, Hamas, the main target of the Israeli sanctions, and its political rival, Fatah, appear to be awash with cash.

There were crowds in the main streets last week surveying lists of names to see if they had been nominated to receive a $100 (£50) gift for Ramadan from either Hamas or Fatah. Hamas was offering the sum to 40,000 people, while Fatah was giving to 65,000.

Both parties, through their respective governments in Gaza and Ramallah, hope to pay their civil servants and security forces in full this month. Hamas says it will pay 16,000 salaries this week, averaging $400 a person, while Fatah will pay around 60,000 - on the understanding that the recipients stay at home and do not work with the Hamas government.

Chris Gunness, a spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the organisation that provides social services for Palestinian refugees, said that the payment of wages in Gaza was having little effect on Gaza's continued economic disintegration. "There is an increasing sense of isolation and desperation which is likely to lead to a radicalisation of the population when there seems to be momentum in the peace process generally. As ever the most vulnerable sectors of society are the hardest hit by the sanctions."

The Israeli sanctions are affecting every level of Gazan society. Farmers have been particularly hard hit as they have been barred from exporting their products and denied pesticides and fertiliser by Israel, which makes it impossible to plant for next year.

Spare parts for water pumps and other equipment are also barred.

The army recently banned the import of hearing aid batteries for Gaza's school for the deaf on the grounds that they could be used to make bombs.

It is reducing the amount of food going into Gaza every week as it tries to exert more pressure on the population to bring about political change.


www.guardian.co.uk...

Read that article. It's not always bombs that start a rebellion. Remember the Boston Tea Party? This article was from last year though. Maybe Israel has changed their tactics. maybe not. From this month:

Today, for the first time in a month, Israel is temporarily lifting some restrictions on aid workers and journalists in Gaza. People in the Gaza Strip are paying a heavy price for the Israeli sanctions and policies of starvation and humiliation. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza are struggling daily to secure enough food, water, fuel and cooking gas. Black-market cooking gas prices are now at US $100 a tank!

The deteriorating situation in the territories now means that for the first time, 80 percent of families in Gaza are living in abject poverty and malnutrition rates among Gaza's children are rapidly rising.

The siege is widely recognized as collective punishment of a civilian population, and constitutes an act defined by the Fourth Geneva Convention as a war crime. Israel’s sanctions on the impoverished coastal territory started after Hamas won parliamentary elections in 2006 which were considered free and fair by international observers. The Israeli state further tightened the rope after Hamas ousted the rival Fatah movement in what many have described as an Israeli and US-backed offensive by Fatah aimed at driving Hamas out of the enclave

Israel had in the past invaded Gaza with tanks and soldiers in a number of offensives, killing Hamas members and civilians. These numerous breakings of ceasefire agreements have prompted Gazan fighters to resume rocket fire.


socialistworld.net...

This piece is written with a Palestinian bent but the first was from the UK. Seems similar. The sanctions that Israel puts on the Palestinians are the impetus of the rocket attacks. Saying that Palestine attacks first is short sighted and incorrect. They are reacting to the plight that they are subject to by Tel Aviv.

TA pushes the people so far they have no other option other than an ineffectual military one. This plays right into the Israeli propaganda machine. They play the martyr. They say, "We were attacked". It plays on the international scene but it's not a good gauge for what's going on here. There are even Israeli's that are not happy with the status quo. Google Machsom Watch. Or see this post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Read people. Think. Don't be lead by the propaganda machine. We're talking about people here. Not nationalities. THAT is what they want you to continue thinking about. Not the human factor.

Edit: changed title from "It's not all about the rockets and mortars. Why?" I guess sensational titles get read. This is too important NOT to be read.

[edit on 30-12-2008 by intrepid]


reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 06:04 PM by dooper
Here in Florida, we've had an influx of damned yankees that are really fouling up our conservative values. But you know what? They're here. Done deal.

The Israelis are now there, with their own country. A lot of Scots got run out of Scotland, and a lot if Irish got run out of Ireland. Yesterday is yesterday. Hell, my people were run out of both.

Guess what? I am not bemoaning the fact that my "rightful" place is in Scotland. NO. I'm now American, my family are all American, and we do fine. I have no right to go bomb Britain and a few groups in Scotland over something that is over and done.

You basically ask, what's with the big response to a few relatively harmless missiles being fired.

What if your neighbor across the street was taking pot shots at your home, and he couldn't hit $#!T, but he kept firing? Sooner or later, he's going to get a hit. You? Your wife? Your child? Come on, tell the truth.

You'd not respond in kind!

It IS a big deal when it's you and yours. The problem here is that most people simply don't count the Israelis as being anything. Muslims consider them pigs and monkeys.

So I really don't take their opinion into consideration.

Gazans have their own land, Israelis have theirs.

Gazans shoot at Israelis, then I would feel they are justified to wipe them out, every man, woman, and child. If that's what they are growing, then I'd make sure they couldn't grow any more.

I'd cut off all electricity, all access through Israeli borders, and let them figure it out.


reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 06:31 PM by Oceanborn
reply to post by tothetenthpower



Not really.We,humans,if not always,almost always we were claimming territories.Hell,even animals do...!

It's nothing new,we always did that,we still do and since it's our nature,we'll keep doing it.





Unfortunatelly i don't have anything to add to the actual thread since i can't just blame one side.Things like that are always complicated.


reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 06:34 PM by tothetenthpower
Originally posted by Oceanborn
reply to
post by tothetenthpower



Not really.We,humans,if not always,almost always we were claimming territories.Hell,even animals do...!

It's nothing new,we always did that,we still do and since it's our nature,we'll keep doing it.


Unfortunatelly i don't have anything to add to the actual thread since i can't just blame one side.Things like that are always complicated.



That i can understand, what i meant to say what in this day and age, we should realize that such things will only lead to conflic and war. Coutries are just another way to seperate and pin people against eachother.


reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 11:54 AM by intrepid
reply to post by scottsquared



So you're saying the Israeli sanctions have nothing to do with their reaction?
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