Chemtrail Inactivity - Personnel on Holiday Vacation?

Someone tell me how the pictures from the 1950's prove that those contrails were there over 30 seconds? For all we know they were taken just as the airplane passed by. Or hell, it could even be smoke.

Long story short, your pictures prove absolutely nothing. Sorry guys but contrails don't last long...and especially don't linger for hours and spread out across the sky.

reply to post by leisuredrummer


How about the testimony of the pilots themselves:

Contrail Testimony by WWII Veterans Smashes 'Chemtrail' Hypothesis
Jay,
Yes, we certainly did. Contrails were so thick that they became clouds. We often said that we created weather over Europe. They would persist for many hours, maybe days. We flew a different route coming back than going in partly to avoid the contrail clouds that we created. There are some pictures of contrails on my web site - none of these are shown to be very heavy but there were time when we were near the end of the bomber stream and the contrails were so dense that it was no dfferent than flying in clouds. A thousand or more planes (4000 internal combustion engines) can make a lot of contrail at 25000 feet or more.

Hope this helps.
Willard Reese- 457th Bomb Group

Originally posted by SuperSpark
reply to post by Essan

 

I don't think all meteorologists and climatologists agree with you in regards to chem-trails any more than I think they agree with each other in regards to "global warming".

Well actually, there is only one known meteorologist (self appointed) that believes contrails are chemtrails, and he actually hasnt even done any training. The other hundreds of thousands of us weather folk disagree with him

BUT it is just as likely in chem-trail threads that you will hear a claim that there is a consensus opinion as it is in global warming threads.

No, its not a consenseus, its basic meteorology, physics and chemistry which determines our belief, not something based on assumption or information from people who have no clue about basic atmospheric phenomenen

Nothing could be farther from the truth. It was almost true. Scientists who disagreed with Global Warming were so persecuted, demonized, ridiculed, threatened with loss of gainful employment, threatened with fewer or no options for higher and different degrees.. that they kept quiet. They were quiet for a long time... until recently.

Well considering that the world just experienced an average drop in global temperature, maybe they were wrong. In my opinion its just a shift in the El Nino and La Nina weather patterns

Their next step was to back-up the governments upon disclosure of chem-trail spraying, as absolutely necessary to save the planet from Global Warming.

Looks like that plan is falling apart.

Yeah of course, instead of doing something easy like spiking drinking water, why not drop something from 30,000ft while contending with 80 knot and variable winds at different directions

Below is the latest weather balloon sounding from denver, notice the wind speed at 30,000ft (approx 10,000m). Now because you think its spraying, say you see a contrail above Denver, where do you think it will land? I can gurantee it wont be on Denver

72469 DNR Denver Observations at 00Z 14 Jan 2009
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PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K
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266.0 10014 -53.9 -64.9 25 0.02 320 71 320.1 320.2 320.1
254.0 10309 -55.5 -66.5 24 0.02 320 73 322.0 322.1 322.0
250.0 10410 -56.5 -67.5 24 0.02 320 73 321.9 322.0 321.9
241.0 10642 -58.7 -68.7 26 0.02 320 73 322.0 322.1 322.0
227.0 11017 -60.9 -70.9 26 0.01 320 74 324.2 324.3 324.2
217.7 11278 -61.5 -71.5 25 0.01 320 74 327.3 327.3 327.3
217.0 11297 -61.5 -71.5 25 0.01 320 75 327.5 327.6 327.5
207.2 11582 -63.8 -72.9 28 0.01 320 87 328.2 328.2 328.2
207.0 11589 -63.9 -72.9 28 0.01 320 86 328.2 328.2 328.2
204.0 11678 -64.0 -73.0 28 0.01 320 87 329.4 329.5 329.4
200.0 11800 -64.1 -73.1 28 0.01 325 84 331.1 331.1 331.1
194.0 11986 -64.1 -73.1 28 0.01 320 78 334.0 334.0 334

weather.uwyo.edu...

Originally posted by leisuredrummer
Someone tell me how the pictures from the 1950's prove that those contrails were there over 30 seconds? For all we know they were taken just as the airplane passed by. Or hell, it could even be smoke.

Long story short, your pictures prove absolutely nothing. Sorry guys but contrails don't last long...and especially don't linger for hours and spread out across the sky.

Because you say so?

What makes you so certain you are right whereas meteorologists and aviators have all been lying for decades?

reply to post by Essan


I've never heard or seen a meterologist say anything about the chemtrails and contrails conspiracy. And as for aviators, your talking to one and one that comes from a long line of pilots.

Just because someone puts up pictures of contrails in the air from 1950's proves nothing and you know it. I can put up a black and white picture of an F-22 and tell you it's from 1837, are you just supposed to believe it? No.

reply to post by leisuredrummer


So again, are the meteorologists, air force members and scientists all lying/mistaken/in on it/etc when they decided to study PERSISTENT contrails during WWII and through the 50s and 60s? So what could have possessed them to do so way back then?

I guess they must have smoking something one day, one pilot goes, "Hey man, how about we like, start studying this thing, you know how our contrails last for like 30 seconds? How about we study something about how they last for like hours man? Whattya say? I mean wouldn't it like blow peoples minds when we start studying stuff that doesnt exist yet? I know our stuf doesnt last that long, but what if we said it does? huh?" "Yeah man, good idea! We'll get the AAF and the weather guys together and pull this little scam off! Hey man pass that back!"

reply to post by leisuredrummer


Those are actual pictures from 1940’s media sources; as in combat photographers, journalists, etc. Just a tad different then someone taking a modern black and white picture. Besides this its been quite a long time since there have been any large formations of b-17’s around, as the few that are left are all museum pieces. On top of all of that, you still have the testimony of the pilots themselves.