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Hidden truths about crop circles

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posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 07:35 AM
The crop circle argument usually falls to the side of either aliens or man made, and the occasional earth energy type. The line between is always direct and absolute.

The truth is, that the human element or man made side of the argument is just as mysterious as the otherworldly explanation. As you'll here from the circle makers themselves.

Many researchers are biased, not all though, some have good relations with the circle makers and are just as interested in the human element. Unlike the majority who turn a blind eye to them or regard them with disdain and labeled hoaxers.

Like most things it's not so clear cut, the people who make circles do it for many different reasons, some are pranksters yes, but some are simply artists or people who want to engage the imagination of the public. Some do it as a type of ritual, some are seeking a paranormal experience, some actually feel compelled to make them. The opinions regarding crop circles are as wide and varied among the circle makers as it is the audience.

There is a wonderful mystery here no matter which way you look at it.

The argument that humans cannot create them is invalid, I once thought this way. This does not mean they are 100% man made. It's very well possible that the truth may lie entirely within the human subconscious.

While it is also possible other entities may be involved in the few or are at least connected in some way. It also may have nothing at all to do with the standard alien archetype.

I'm well aware of the busted nodes, microwave samples, subtle energy traces etc.. also the fact that crop circles do in fact predate the 80's by at least a few hundred years and possibly longer. Healing has been attributed to them, even the man made ones, although this may be testament to the power of belief more than anything else.

Without having access to any real data it's difficult to comment on these things.

I believe that some of these can be explained by the glyphs themselves. I've discovered several glyphs that match very well to cymatics patterns, it's possible that the frequency that created the cymatics is bound to the geometry itself. So that when the wheat is flattened correctly the life energy of the plants is harmonized with the frequency to produce the subtle energies, man made or not.
This could easily be tested if you had the right equipment and skill. But no doubt about it, some are frequency signatures.

I think nearly all the circle makers claim to have seen the flashes of light, some have seen the orbs, a few have seen mysterious shadowy figures and ufo's. There are some instances of having designs completed or replicated. Some feel compelled to make them. Some even claim to have experienced altered time.

In conclusion, the all man made argument falls flat for the materialist. Even if this was the case, which is indeed possible.
if you take the word of the true experts, the guys who actually make them, you can see the mystery is not solved only changed.

Is it possible that some sort of subconscious communication is taking place? is it all in the human subconscious? are the entities attracted by the glyphs? are some glyphs made by the entities? Are these guys just nuts? Am I nuts? all valid questions.

I saw this a while back and it altered my perception of crop circles and deepened my interest. It's a total of 3 hours and is made by Matthew Williams, the only person to be arrested for circle making. He's also responsible for the famous solar system with the missing earth glyph. So put aside your preconceptions or have them shattered.
As I said, the opinions amongst the circle makers are as varied as the people here, so be patient and watch all the interviews if you want to hear a side of the enigma that is rarely spoken of.

The Circle Makers Part1
The Circle Makers Part2

You'll also find it in multiple parts on youtube if it's easier.

posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 07:35 PM
I originally posted my Cymatic findings in this thread. Many of my opinions have changed or evolved since then, actually the findings have been instrumental in a paradigm shift for me.

Forgive me for posting them once again here, but I'd like to back up a further connection between frequency and crop circles with a little more information sourced from other researchers in some posts to come.
I'm shamelessly using them to grab your attention, lets face it not everyone checks links.
Once again I ask that you forget about the concept of man made vs alien.

There is a remote chance that human circle makers may have been inspired by cymatic patterns. My intuition and the non exactness of some while still conforming to the general geometry leads me to think at the very least it was not a conscious choice of the circle maker. The possibility of a non human intelligence also exists of course.
But there is more, I'm pretty busy so my apologies for doing this in bits.

posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 07:52 PM
Those are so good, whoever did them, kudos

posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 08:00 PM
Great read, S&F.

Could it not be some other form of intelligence that uses humans to create the circles? You have to admit that some are so complex that it's hard to see how someone with a plank of wood, bit of string and maybe night vision goggles can make a crop circle in a few hours, not without some outside help/guidance.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 01:37 AM
I too have always admired the sheer intricacy of some of these crop circles. The shapes
that are achieved and sometimes pictures are truly amazing. I being a graphic designer
am puzzled by how these could have been made with a plank of wood and some rope.
(assuming that is all they use to make them)

But if these are made from some other intelligence (non Earth human) than why a field
of wheat? Why not a patch of desert, a sandy beach, someone's front lawn or anything
else for that matter?.. What's the deal with the wheat field for a canvas??

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 01:39 AM
I too have always admired the sheer intricacy of some of these crop circles. The shapes
that are achieved and sometimes pictures are truly amazing. I being a graphic designer
am puzzled by how these could have been made with a plank of wood and some rope.
(assuming that is all they use to make them)

But if these are made from some other intelligence (non Earth human) than why a field
of wheat? Why not a patch of desert, a sandy beach, someone's front lawn or anything
else for that matter?.. What's the deal with the wheat field for a canvas??


posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 02:02 AM

The Pythagorean Lambdoma

The lambdoma was used to convert mathematical ratios into harmonics, some think it may be Egyptian in origin.
Frequency is the foundation of matter IMO. Harmonics work in both time and space because it is a combination of frequency and wave length.
Frequency can create, destroy, heal and harm it can also induce altered states of consciousness, as used by many ancient cultures, and myself.

Is it also a coincidence that many cymatic patterns and crop circles resemble Hindu mandalas?
Man made or not there are great esoteric lessons in some formations.

Stockbridge crop formation.

Pythagorean Lambdoma

The Lambdoma also appeared in the Barbury Tetrahedron glyph.

Interesting to note that the lower frequencies will generate simple patterns in cymatic experiments, like concentric rings, as the frequency increases the pattern becomes more complex. This also reflects the evolution of crop circles from the past to the present.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 02:15 AM
I understand that some seem improbable that such huge complex designs can be created by man. But believe me these guys are highly skilled at what they do. Don't under estimate human potential.
Now I do believe a small percentage may be of another origin, I don't think that can be ruled out. I'm suggesting that humans are connected into the enigma whether they are aware of it or not. A subconscious form of communication taking place with something perhaps.
I no the video in the OP is long and a little dry, but seriously if you are interested in the subject, it should be required viewing.

Why a field of wheat? it's possible that a living medium is required.
The harmonics interact with the life force of the plant, the pattern may continue to generate energy by the flow of the life force through the pattern.
The harmonics are intricately connected to the geometry. Just theory BTW.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 03:03 AM
Is there any video footage of humans making these thing? Something taken from the air, looking down watching as it's formed.

Some dodgy video taken from the ground at night which then cuts to an aerial shot of a completed circle just doesn't prove anything to me.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 07:38 AM
You are going to laugh at this but, I've got the notion that CCs are man made using some kind of secret experimental RF weapon beamed possibly from a satellite.
The harmonics you mentioned certainly fits but of course I'm not totally convinced. At any rate, it makes more sense than ET trying to get our attention or guys running around with a plank of wood and some rope. But who knows though...

I'll check out those links when I'm sober

Happy new year...

Oh and Starred & Flagged!!

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 07:52 AM
well Squiz....

why don't you DO something with the massive amount of designs and glyphs that have been presented before you??

Why don't you DO something WITH them?

I'm not talking about endless discussions on their esoteric value.



posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 08:30 AM
I agree with some of the opinions on here.

I do think that many complex designs are able to be created by man, but that some are just so complex, and would take hours and hours of time to make that surely a lot of people would realise.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 02:47 PM
I believe that crop's are marks or symbols to guide UFO's or whatever ship coming into the area, the same way as the Nazca lines in Peru that are only viewable from Sky.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 02:55 PM
reply to post by MadSigntist

There are also ice circles.

And there may be other forms but they are just not recongized by people, or in a visible spot.

What I find interesting is that ice or wheat, they all seem to be made from a short term material. In other words, it seems they do not want the evidence sticking around to long.

Why not stone?

AS for the man made question, even some of the most experienced crop circle sites report that there are circles they didn't make and they don't know who did.

And some are so complex that it would take a lot of people to get it done in one night, and that many people are going to bring attention.

[edit on 31-12-2008 by nixie_nox]

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 05:59 PM
Thanks, nix. I was not aware that there were circles in ice as well. Ice circles, I guess,
hugh?? I will look around on line and see what I can find.

Hey Nizzle fer shizzle... Your alcohol induced point on the satellite theory is a good one
to ponder. Anyone out there know if there is a satellite capable of making a crop circle,
hanging over the British Countryside where a majority of these things appear quite


posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 06:32 PM
reply to post by squiz
lets not forget the small traces of iron,radiation and the overall structural change to the plants such as there DNA. i dont know how humans could do that in a matter of a few hours in some cases.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 06:52 PM
I've wondered a few times about what would happen if some people were in the process of making a crop circle or in the field and someones else made one right over them. I've recently read about dead animals being found in crop circles, so why only now? The crop circles seem to suggest if aliens being more like teenagers or college kids.
I believe at least one crop circle was a replica of some college campus grounds seating area or whatever.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 07:28 PM
reply to post by MadSigntist

there haven't been that many but there have been some. I only came across it because I was hoping for crop circles in my area, and sadly there were none but an ice circle once.

I still check the fields by my house everyday though in hope.

posted on Dec, 31 2008 @ 11:29 PM
Is it possible that ET use these patterns as markers, letting other craft know that the area is good or bad. Or perhaps a refueling area, mabye testing grounds. Could it be a warning to other craft that the area is already been used. Much like a dog spraying it's territory.

Im sure an incomming ET craft would be able to scan the globe in search of specific patterns/shapes & immediately identify or understand the meaning.

How many patterns/crop circles go un-noticed, not only in fields of wheat, but on a global scale, deserts/mountians/forests ect..?


posted on Jan, 1 2009 @ 12:02 AM
reply to post by Draconian

Hey do you have a larger pic of that tree in your avatar? I love that dragon

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