Wait a second?... How is it that I'm the one that's crazy, insane, delusional, and brainwashed?, page 1
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Topic started on 29-12-2008 @ 09:03 PM by Doomsday 2029
Dear 9-11 conspiracy debunker,

This is possibly my last post on the 9-11 conspiracy board...

It's been about two years now since I started researching 9-11. I've watched countless videos and documetaries, read numerous articles, and even read a few books on the subject.

It comes down to do this...

If you have done half the amount of research that I have done on the subject... and you still think 9-11 was the work of Osama Bin Laden and 19 hijackers... then you sir, are the one that's delusional... not me.

Let's get that straight.

Am I paranoid? Of course I am! Who wouldn't be just a tad bit paranoid knowing that 9-11 was nothing but a mountain of lies and cover-ups? But I'm not delusional when i tell you that there is no way in hell that a Boeing crashed into the Penatgon. I'm not crazy when I tell you that the WTC DID NOT come crashing down at free fall speed because airplanes crashed into it, thus causing it to collapse. And I'm absolutly, positivly, without a shadow of a doubt not in the least bit brainwashed when I tell you that flight 93 didn't crash in a field in Pennsylvania.

And if you have done the amount of research that I have done on this subject... And you still want to call me brainwashed? Well, my response is: "Right back at at you." It's you that are brainwashed buddy... not me.

Yes, there are obviously some false theories out there about how this was pulled off... I've even suggested a few myself in the past. But what I do know is that 9-11 was a lie. I don't know how they did it... But I'll just say this... whoever is responsible for 9-11 had the money, the power, the technology, and most importantly the MAN POWER to pull it off.

And keep this in mind... I'm not the one that has a track record miles long of lying to you in the past. I'm not the one with millions of top-secret fies in the building I work in that the public can't see, I'm not the one that steals money from you every two weeks, and I'm not the one taking away your liberty and listening in on your phone calls... Oh yea... I haven't tortured anybody either.

I'm just the guy that can see history repeating it's self. This is how the game is played... it's called deception. And if you still want to help out the guys that decieved the world on September 11th, it's your loss... not mine. But just remember this next time you want to reach into the bag of insults... I'm not the guy that's brainwashed when it comes to subject of September 11th... You are.

You're the guy that thinks the truth has been told... I'm the guy that knows the truth has been sold. I didn't buy it... you did, and maybe we'll never find out what happened... But I know damn well what didn't happen.



(And for those that know that 9-11 was a cover-up... don't let people insult you with the words I've listed in the thread title... If a person reviewed all the evidence that we've reviewed and still believed the official story... then those words apply to them.)

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reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 10:31 PM by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by The All Seeing I
Believe me you can expect nothing more from such people, who are willfully ignorant. These are the same people who fail to see themselves and others accurately as well. This is why you get mislabeled. Don't take is personally, these kinds of people lack the depth and courage you possess.




I don't know which is worse...

A.) The person that has actually spent the time to look into the the evidence that we've presented and still believe the official story...

or...

B.) The person that has NOT looked into this mountain of evidence, but will still defend the official story as if it's impossible to have a conspiracy of this magnitude.



I've had to deal with both types, and while I'm happy that person 'A' has atleast researched the material, I'm just amazed how they can constantly defend the official story no matter what evidence comes to light.

On the other hand... Person B (the real ignorant sheep), has not researched an once of the information, but will insist that it's impossible for 9-11 to be a conspiracy... Person B typicaly makes this comment: "There is no way that George W. Bush could orchestrate a conspiracy of that magnitude, he's too dumb."... or this comment: "You've watched too many movies."



Truth be told... I feel that there is still hope for person B... but sadly he still wouldn't care. Person B has a life to live and more important things to do... As for person A... He has made the decision that 9-11 was exactly how the governmnet explained it, and until CNN, BBC, ABC, or CBS says otherwise... he's gonna stick with whatever the television says.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 11:02 PM by spines
reply to post by Alienmojo



Are you here specifically to personify the OP's point, or are you accidentally ironic today?

And it would seem to me that most 9/11 theories make it clear that Bush is the public face; puppeting for those who hold the true power (whatever that power may be and whomever may hold it).

I find it frustrating to listen to the, "Bush is an idiot" retort. Are some people just talking out their ass when confronted with information that doesn't fit the mold, or are they actually putting words into the mouths of the 'truthers'...and then proving those same words wrong?

Bah to both 'sides' of this anyway. And don't think there isn't a nearly identical rant against the way in which certain aspects of the truth-camp handles itself.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 11:16 PM by Alienmojo
Originally posted by spines
reply to
post by Alienmojo



Are you here specifically to personify the OP's point, or are you accidentally ironic today?

And it would seem to me that most 9/11 theories make it clear that Bush is the public face; puppeting for those who hold the true power (whatever that power may be and whomever may hold it).

I find it frustrating to listen to the, "Bush is an idiot" retort. Are some people just talking out their ass when confronted with information that doesn't fit the mold, or are they actually putting words into the mouths of the 'truthers'...and then proving those same words wrong?

Bah to both 'sides' of this anyway. And don't think there isn't a nearly identical rant against the way in which certain aspects of the truth-camp handles itself.

Yes, I'm the accidental ironic. Forget Bush for the moment, I'm speaking of the complexity of the plot. It makes JFK look like something high school students did. You wish to pick fun at me, that's fine... whatever makes you feel better my friend. I was giving my perspective, that's all.
Bush as a puppet? Really? I never thought of that... lol. Well, of course he's a puppet, unfortunately a puppet with power as well. A person who can abuse that power and make great people like Colin Powell lie for him. That is so incredibly sad to me. Not quite sure where your coming from with the 'Bush is an idiot retort' retort. Whatever you wish to call it, it is a part of the equation that has to be considered as a whole. Just how much did Bush have to do with this? Talking out my ass? I hardly think so. I too, have read and researched. I believe there are enough questions to warrant questioning what happened. I'm sorry, I just didn't feel like going into it deeply because so much has been said on this subject. Yes, I was more speaking to the OP than anyone else with no intent on offending you.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 11:37 PM by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by CameronFox
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029


So here is my reply:

You watched CNN, FOX News, and CBS... in other words, filtered information.


You don't know what I watched. You don't know the research I have done.

The youtube argument needs to die.



Well, what documentaries have you watched regarding 911 that were NOT on Youtube or Google that lead you to believe 911 was an inside job?

Again, don't tell me what I watch and don't watch on TV.





Don't tell me Youtube is garbage when it has been more useful than the TV as of late.

Is anything on Youtube automatically disregarded in your mind?

Most videos on the internet end up on Youtube... you do realize this right?


And yes... I will tell you what you watched on TV... because unless you were watching the events of 9-11 happen as a personal witness... then you were more than likely watching it on TV. Which one is it?

No, I'm not an Alex Jones follower, or a David Icke follower, or a Zietgiest follower, or a Loose Change follower... I'm a person that has a opinion.

And if you must know when my opinion started to question the official story... it started at Killtown.

killtown.911review.org...

killtown.911review.org...

but since we can't believe anything we see on the internet... I guess I need to go back to watching TV, and reading the newspaper.

Or... I could pick up a well documented book written by Jim Marrs called The Terror Conspiracy.

But wait a second... this guy has been on youtube... so he's misguiding us.

Tell me CameronFox... did the Governmnet lie to us about what happpened on 9-11?


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 11:58 PM by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by spines
reply to
post by Alienmojo



Are you here specifically to personify the OP's point, or are you accidentally ironic today?

And it would seem to me that most 9/11 theories make it clear that Bush is the public face; puppeting for those who hold the true power (whatever that power may be and whomever may hold it).

I find it frustrating to listen to the, "Bush is an idiot" retort. Are some people just talking out their ass when confronted with information that doesn't fit the mold, or are they actually putting words into the mouths of the 'truthers'...and then proving those same words wrong?

Bah to both 'sides' of this anyway. And don't think there isn't a nearly identical rant against the way in which certain aspects of the truth-camp handles itself.



Excellent post. One star from me.

There should be a rant against the truth-camp as well... because the subject of 9-11 truth should be very sensitive to all of us.

I look at Donna Marsh O'conner as inspiration




You can start at the 0.45.... oh wait a second.... wait a second.... this video is on youtube...

Well CameronFox... sorry... too bad I had to listen to this woman on youtube.



reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 01:59 AM by cashlink
reply to post by Doomsday 2029


Doomsday, thank you for your wonderful post, I also feel the same as you. I have been insulted plenty of time by the Government s gatekeepers in these 911 threads some of these poster who continual to stay on ATS 911 threads year after year supporting nothing but the Government “lies”! These people take great pleasure in insulting and ridiculing and belittling anyone who (speaks the truth.) This is what paid disinfo operators do these people are well verse, on both side of the 911 story, meaning, the truth, and the lies and well verse in the art of disinfo, the art of presenting lies.

You have to remember we are at war with information on the internet the “truth” must be squashed, and the poster who presents the truth must be discredit anyway possible. This includs name calling, snide remarks, insulting, belittling, what ever it takes.
Once you come across someone that just keeps throwing the insults none stop, and refuse to answers any of their claims or sites sources and just rambles and changes subjects in the middle of a heated debate then he or she is trying to deliberately railroad your thread because you have proven their claim is a lie.

Doomsday, if you leave the 911 threads then they have won. You have to know that is also part of the game to piss you off, in hoping you will leave and take your TRUTH with you. With you out of the way, it gives these paid trolls more time to attack the other people who do not support the Government lies.

So, I am asking you to please stay and fight the good fight in the end, the “truth” will prevail, it always does.
I too, do not believe in any of the Government 911 lying garbage, most of it is lies!
However, with most of the Government 911 lies that has been exposed on ATS and you are right if any one who has done a little research will see through all the BS, the lies, the phony science, and the laughable Government reports concerning 911 know darn well they are covering up everything. I also feel people who have been supporting the Government 911 lies the same people who know very well it is all a lie, are supporting the terrorists who really committed 911. These people sold out America for “money” and are consider “traitors” against the American people and our Country. This has nothing to do with a different of opinions people, this is about HARD COLD FACT! (The 911 Lie!)

What do people do, when they are protecting a lie, they fight with more lies and they continue to fight when they run out of lies, then they start with the ridiculing, and the sneering, and snide remarks, and the insults, because they have nothing left.
Eventually their house of cards will come tumbling down it always does, and these trolls will leave in a hurry, and they will change their identities.


reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 02:47 AM by _Heretic
reply to post by Doomsday 2029



I just dont fight pointless wars anymore

truth will not prevail here

case in point: the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Kennedy Assassination, Gulf of Tonkin

has the truth prevailed for these lies yet?

it doesn't take rocket science folks, sometimes resistance IS futile

I expect people to still be arguing about "911 truth" on message boards for decades into our future with the same clarity and cohesion we see today at ATS

nothing to see here but: it was an inside job, no it wasn't, yes it was, no it wasn't, yes it was, ad infinitum

I gave up a long time ago Doomsday 2029

"A long dispute means both parties are wrong." ~ Voltaire

"Arguments from authority simply do not count; too many authorities have been mistaken too often." ~ Carl Sagan
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