I got to hand it to you Martin, to suggest that the UK will start moves to end GBP and move to the Euro is a huge thing for the UK.
But I think the UK Government has less choice if GBP starts to be worth even less than £1 to €1.
Of course, if Europe (and by that I mean France and Germany) is really keen on a single currency across the EU, what is the issue with that single
currency being GBP?
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Topic started on 29-12-2008 @ 01:00 PM by ATSMIX
This week's show kicks off with a piece from ATS member Frankidealist35 on President-Elect Obama and then Homer and Martin discuss the point raised
in the piece.
Hear Homer and Martin's predictions for 2009:
1. Which one of the big 3 US auto makers may not survive as is?
2. Will the UK start down the road to the Euro?
3. Will India and Pakistan go nuclear?
4. Will President Obama survive his first year in office without scandal?
5. What could be the future of The Above Politics show?
These and even more predictions, and then a Homer rant to finish.
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Hear Homer and Martin's predictions for 2009:
1. Which one of the big 3 US auto makers may not survive as is?
2. Will the UK start down the road to the Euro?
3. Will India and Pakistan go nuclear?
4. Will President Obama survive his first year in office without scandal?
5. What could be the future of The Above Politics show?
These and even more predictions, and then a Homer rant to finish.
International Reporters wanted for The Above Politics Show thread
The Above Politics Show Web Site
length: 36:17
file: atsmix_3181.mp3
size: 12760k
feed: atsmix
[edit on 12/29/2008 by Dave Rabbit]
reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 04:56 AM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Hmmm.
Wasn't George Walker Bush linked to Osama Bin Laden via business contacts?
And hey...what about Donald Henry Rumsfeld? I can link you to a video that shows him shaking hands with Saddam Hussein just before he agreed to sell him the chemical precursors used in the attacks on the Kurds.
And as Frankie pointed out, John Sidney McCain III had links to Iran Contra and may very well have been turned by the North Vietnamese and offered military information during the war.
Don't resort to cheap shots huh? - because you're better than that, I know you are
Edit to add - the Euro thing seems to be happening already - have you seen the new 1p, 5p and pound coins?
Euro Coins
New UK Coins
Theres a similarity there, don't you think? Its subtle but its all in the mind.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
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')reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 12:45 PM by Homer Fife
reply to post by Frankidealist35
Sure.
Because he is.
You are incorrect, or more accurately, you are far too simplistic.
dic
Obama in a nut shell.
Why do you believe in him, or any politician so much? I do not fall for anyone, especially someone that so desperately wants to hide the truth.
Your opinion, not mine.
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Homer, may I ask why you called Obama a socialist?
Sure.
Because he is.
A socialist is the economic term for the government controlling the means of production and the economy.
You are incorrect, or more accurately, you are far too simplistic.
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
dic
Obama in a nut shell.
Why do you doubt Obama so much?
Why do you believe in him, or any politician so much? I do not fall for anyone, especially someone that so desperately wants to hide the truth.
It turned out to be a mistake and we didn't have a plan for going in and that's why it took so long.
Your opinion, not mine.
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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 05:12 PM by Frankidealist35
Originally posted by Homer Fife
reply to post by Frankidealist35
Homer, may I ask why you called Obama a socialist?
Sure.
Because he is.
I just asked because a lot of people use that term without knowing what it means.
A socialist is the economic term for the government controlling the means of production and the economy.
You are incorrect, or more accurately, you are far too simplistic.
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
dic
Obama in a nut shell.
I don't think Obama is a socialist. Why? If he was he would be a lot more revolutionary sounding like. Obama is more like a social Democrat, or shall I say, he's more like a progressive.
Why do you doubt Obama so much?
Why do you believe in him, or any politician so much? I do not fall for anyone, especially someone that so desperately wants to hide the truth.
I believe that he has the interest of the people at heart. I have a theory that the new world order placed Obama as President to "reverse the course". I've been saying this even before Obama was chosen. The new world order and the illuminati folks wanted someone like Obama as President so they could get us to have faith in the government again. That's why I believe that Obama will be doing the good thing for the country. It's because they told him too. Did you really think I believed that all of this was his idea?
It turned out to be a mistake and we didn't have a plan for going in and that's why it took so long.
Your opinion, not mine.
Okay... fair enough. I was just pointing why although many people (not me) may dislike the war... I dislike the war because I think it was a mistake. But it was Bush so we all knew what was coming...
reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 05:45 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Homer Fife
It just sounded to me from what I've heard you say that you sound like you're a conservative. You use conservative arguments like (the government should be small) and you've used similar conservative arguments when you've talked about stuff like gay marriage and other things. But okay then.
I'll tell you my beliefs. I'm a liberal but I'm open to other points of views.
It's just that your rants/comments made me think you were all conservative and all republican. Well, just to clear up some confusion, I'm not entirely on the left either.
I believe that government is okay. Just sometimes they get out of hand. I don't believe that the government should be expanded when there are roles that certain agencies in the government already play that could do those other jobs.
I don't believe that more taxes is bad. It is my belief that taxes are necessary to pay off the national debt and if we don't do that then we'll become a little arrogant, letting the government spend however much they want to.
I go with the friedman school of economic philosophy. I believe in the free market and that the federal reserve doesn't need to be there but it is and it's irreversible now that it is.
I'm for war only when it is absolutely necessary.
I think everyone should have health care and the government should help a little bit with it.
I believe in equality, and, I don't have an opinion on every single social issue.
I believe that drugs are bad for people and people who can't handle them shouldn't have them.
I do not believe in abstaining.
I believe that we are responsible for ourselves as well BUT in an economic crisis the government should be there to do something. The government also should be there to promote progress.
I also agree with you on the money issue.
I just was wondering why you didn't like Obama. Now that you have spoken your opinions about Obama, and about politicians, I can understand what makes you think that way. I'm not completely sold for either party. I just know there was a time when our Presidents did a good job and they faithfully held their oath to follow the constitution. I would vote for a moderate Republican if he held views I agree with. I just thought you were like the Republicans who are just running with the Republican bandwagon because they disliked Obama and that's what they felt like doing. I don't think that everything will automatically get better because of Obama, I just, believe that this is a step in the right direction. I'm not making this a race issue. I just think that people voted for the candidate which they agreed with on the issues (like pulling out of Iraq) and that in the future people will think about the issues before they vote for a candidate. I would argue that people voted for Obama because of the issues rather than because of his race. I think people need to vote for the candidate whom they think is right like they did this time in the future rather than the candidate who looks like he/she is making less promises.
My apologies.
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It just sounded to me from what I've heard you say that you sound like you're a conservative. You use conservative arguments like (the government should be small) and you've used similar conservative arguments when you've talked about stuff like gay marriage and other things. But okay then.
I'll tell you my beliefs. I'm a liberal but I'm open to other points of views.
It's just that your rants/comments made me think you were all conservative and all republican. Well, just to clear up some confusion, I'm not entirely on the left either.
I believe that government is okay. Just sometimes they get out of hand. I don't believe that the government should be expanded when there are roles that certain agencies in the government already play that could do those other jobs.
I don't believe that more taxes is bad. It is my belief that taxes are necessary to pay off the national debt and if we don't do that then we'll become a little arrogant, letting the government spend however much they want to.
I go with the friedman school of economic philosophy. I believe in the free market and that the federal reserve doesn't need to be there but it is and it's irreversible now that it is.
I'm for war only when it is absolutely necessary.
I think everyone should have health care and the government should help a little bit with it.
I believe in equality, and, I don't have an opinion on every single social issue.
I believe that drugs are bad for people and people who can't handle them shouldn't have them.
I do not believe in abstaining.
I believe that we are responsible for ourselves as well BUT in an economic crisis the government should be there to do something. The government also should be there to promote progress.
I also agree with you on the money issue.
I just was wondering why you didn't like Obama. Now that you have spoken your opinions about Obama, and about politicians, I can understand what makes you think that way. I'm not completely sold for either party. I just know there was a time when our Presidents did a good job and they faithfully held their oath to follow the constitution. I would vote for a moderate Republican if he held views I agree with. I just thought you were like the Republicans who are just running with the Republican bandwagon because they disliked Obama and that's what they felt like doing. I don't think that everything will automatically get better because of Obama, I just, believe that this is a step in the right direction. I'm not making this a race issue. I just think that people voted for the candidate which they agreed with on the issues (like pulling out of Iraq) and that in the future people will think about the issues before they vote for a candidate. I would argue that people voted for Obama because of the issues rather than because of his race. I think people need to vote for the candidate whom they think is right like they did this time in the future rather than the candidate who looks like he/she is making less promises.
My apologies.
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