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reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 08:07 PM by Anonymous ATS
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the sad truth us that the situation in the middle east can only end up in a disastrous war. these people have been fighting in one form or another for thousands of years and it will not stop until everyone is either dead or incapable of making any more wars.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 08:13 PM by warrenb
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actually Russia already has warships in the black sea and chasing Somalian pirates, so they are not too far away.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 08:34 PM by clay2 baraka
Originally posted by warrenb
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actually Russia already has warships in the black sea and chasing Somalian pirates, so they are not too far away.


That took me a minute.

The story in my original post referred to an earlier made up story by Debka that I remembered being reported on this forum and ended up being picked apart by a naval blog.

It just illustrates that they weave in a lot of sensational stories, the majority of which don't pan out. Debka is likely a Mossad disinfo outlet and the information should be considered tainted.

The fun thing about disinfo is that sometimes there are gems of truth mixed in with all of the nonsense and secondly, if you look deep enough, the motivations behind the false message can reveal the hidden agenda of the sender.

[edit on 12/29/2008 by clay2 baraka]


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 09:11 PM by heyo
Originally posted by warrenb
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actually Russia already has warships in the black sea and chasing Somalian pirates, so they are not too far away.


I heard there are a lot of country's there. how convenient.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 09:21 PM by Bugman82
Whatever the announcement, the world understands that Israel was attacked through military action by Hamas. The world pays attention to military action in most circumstances, so I believe Israel will have support of their friends if this does lead to an outbreak of war in the Middle East. However, I think you will see a predominately neutral stance throughout the world. What does this mean? Israel will have the backing of "Western" nations but the rest of the world will watch. I don't see this conflict moving anywhere outside the Middle East.....maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic. I don't think any of the major powers today (USA, Russia, China, EU) want to get into a world conflict over a military exchange that involves a terrorist group and Israel.

To my dismay yet another thread has degraded into a Israel vs. Palestine, USA vs. Iran thread......

Janus and others who are taking sides in this conflict please pay attention to another perspective that I think would help deny ignorance moreso than siding with either the Palistinians or Israel; the USA or Iran. Taking sides where evil is prevalent from both sides shows a kind of philosophical weakness that causes igorance to abound in most circumstances. I think this circumstance of the war between Israel and Hamas is a perfect example.

Look closely as people will defend their side to the point of being filled with anger and hatred even though their side has:
-Sent suicide bombers into to Israel to specifically target civillians (Hamas)
-Cut off the flow of food and medicine to specifically target civillians (Israel)
-Constantly barraged Israel with rockets even though they understand they will suffer strong military action as a result (Hamas)
-Viewed the Palistinians as less than human beings and made political statements pertaining to this (Israel)

I could go on about the evils of both sides. However, the point that is being made is that both are evil. Both sides have done terrible things to each other. Neither has reached out to one another in true love, forgiveness, or peace. With this understanding I cannot take a side. I cannot say one side is more evil than the other. I cannot root for one side to win.

Our minds want us to take a side. It is in our nature. We love to be competitive. We love to tell other people they are wrong and that they are less intelligent because of their viewpoint. However, we must stop and pay attention to what is really important.

What is of importance in the Israeli and Palestinian conflict? The answer is peace. That is what people on this board supposedly want. How do we reach peace? Is it by accepting the evil actions of the Palestinians and totally condemning Israel for their same evil actions? Is it by accepting the evil actions of Israel and completely blaming/condemning the Palestinians? I would think not, since that would be complete and utter hypocrisy.

What must happen if both sides are to ever have peace? The answer is that both sides must own up to the mistakes and evil things they have done to one another. They must do this publicly and in sight of the nations of the world. Both then must forgive each other for those actions. It is either that or one side will eventually be destroyed.

Taking a side in a situation like this only furthers the hatred and conflict that is the root cause of the issue. Accepting wrongdoing should never be acceptable. Hopefully, we can rise up as a discussion board and begin calling on each other and the world to begin admitting our mistakes and seeking forgiveness.

[edit on 29-12-2008 by Bugman82]
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