It's about deciding which date determines where the country borders in the world are. I don't know the exact dates but as an example, 1000 years ago it belonged to Muslims, 750 to Christians, 500 to Muslims etc. So who's is it? Basically it's everybody's and nobody's country, just like any country in the world. Somehow American Jews thought they could just march in 60 years ago and demand land. With America backing them up, cause war is money, they got it quite easily.

Now they are expanding their borders with the walls being built, leaving the Palestinians without work, broken families etc. this all to prevent a few attacks from terrorist...that's the weakest argument ever, actually there is NO VALID argument to treat people this way. It's like saying in 1939, let's kill those Jews cause there are a few bad ones out there trying to control everything. It's one big gray mess and anybody in power is closing their eyes. But hey, conflict and wars makes weapon industries rich. So as soon as peace comes looking around the corner they probably do something to make sure it doesn't.

And just to speak for Hamas, what would you do if your land is taken, your family disrupted? Especially when you are born in that situation, living in one big concentration camp. When you see politics aren't working, desperation comes to many people... This is not the solution, but Israel is the one who gave decades of misery to many people.

[edit on 28-12-2008 by mortje]

another issue is the Christian Zionists (a faction of the Christian Right) , who support these actions and believe in inter-religous conflict , strong dislike of islam and believe in the second coming of Christ is near with the forming of the jew holy land;

so we have a group proclaiming to be christian and yet supporting the ideal`s on the zionists (not judaism i might add) - but to throw into the mix also say the jew will convert to christianity at the end of days....

and yet support financially israel...

Originally posted by Jacob08
Chicken or the egg? Which one has to come first if there is to be a peace both sides can live with

If you don't get what I'm saying. One person is saying they act the way they do because of the way they are treated. While the other says they are treated the way they are because of the way they act. If you still don't get it don't worry... it probably doesn't make sense.


[edit on 28-12-2008 by Jacob08]

...my head's gonna explode..........

I don't agree with the state of affairs at all. Both sides have made some very bad decisions over the decades. But regardless of the situation, what moronic leader decided it was a 'good idea' to send missiles into southern Israel in an attempt to correct the situation of lack of food and medicine? If of course, you buy that's the only reason they are doing this, which I do not fully buy.

How is attacking an obviously superior military power the way to make things right? I don't care how many violins you play, the amount of $$$ they are spending on these weapons is astronomical. If that were put towards their issues, they'd have a lot less problems than they do.

But then, I think there is more than a desire to get food and medicine at work here. They need to remove their own radicals before they are going to be able to address their own problems.

Somehow magically duplicated my own thread...

[edit on 28-12-2008 by fleabit]

There is a difference between a justifiable war..and a fabricated false pretense war.

Any of those sound familiar to anyone? Which one stands out over the other within....say the last 8 years and today?





Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by mrmonsoon

It is truly sad that civilians on both sides are dieing due to the terrorist Hamas daily rocket and missile attacks.

Again your putting all the blame on just one side of an obvious double sided problem!

Look if you aint got anything else to say other than its all Hamas fault and no blame on Israel then you are obviously heavily biased and hence we already know your postion on this entire ordeal.

Why dont you start a thread specifically for the side you support so you can put as much blame to the Hamas as you like?

Geez talk about a one way street!!!!




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