Alien Triangles or Back Engineered Top Secret Craft? Some Of The Best Photographs!

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Ah cool. Thanks for telling me what to look for. It appeared exactly like this with sort of space shuttle coloring. Very quiet plane though. It was much quieter than my car.


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very interesting.. not so long ago there was a thread about a reptilian interview(i will try to find it) and reportedly the reptilian stated that the military has a hybrid jet\ gravity propulsion system on these vehicles... due to the fact that the field created was not very stable and needed a backup. system of sorts.. VERY interesting...

That bottom vid is a china made RC plane.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Can someone please explain how can there be anti-gravity, when gravity is not directional force?

Large rotating masses can have a frame dragging effect. I am no physicist, but it is predicted by relativity. So the idea is to have a very large mass rotating at a very high speed. The earth has this effect on the neighboring spacetime, and so do other large masses.

If you make a donut (torus) out of wheels and spin them all so that the side facing the inside of the donut is going down and the other side is going up, this effect is produced. An even more effective way to do this is using a liquid pumped around a coil that is wrapped like a torus, or a torus filled with an ionized liquid and accelerating it with a magnetic field (as a magnetic field can be used to accelerate particles with a net positive or negative charge)

But the speeds and masses required are really incredible. So yes, you can most definitely make "antigravity" if you manage to rotate large amounts of a heavy liquid, like mercury at speeds that would cause any known container to break apart.

So it is not "Antigravity" it is more like grabbing spacetime itself and pulling it thru the center of the torus.

-rrr

It is not anti gravity. Gravity is self centered, it affects in all directions. We can only translate that effect in a linear fashion achieving the effect contrary to the force of gravity, by using any kind of generated force, from reactive engines to magnetic field effects, and so on.

Lyne was writing on this subject, based on Nikola Tesla and/or Nazi research.

"Occult Science Dictatorship - A Book About Alternate Science, Free Energy, UFOs and Government Thought Control (2002)"

I found it quite interesting, but I think his theory is not complete.

The only way to bridge space/time continuum would be to translate material object into pure energy and then back onto a different coordinate in space/time continuum. Everything else would be de facto simulating, even though it might be quite efficient for the given purpose.

This because the problem of gravity - anti gravity can not be addressed by starting from the action-reaction principle.

A body which is using its own source of energy (like an airplane for instance) can move against the gravitational pull of a planet, but it is actually affecting its own inertia, and not the planet which has dominating gravity.

The problem of acceleration is also of this kind, because object responding to acceleration is actually addressing its own cohesion. All composite objects, excluding only theoretical single particle objects, which cannot be proved to exist, have a limited capacity to resist such strain.

A supposed fast moving "UFO" which is changing direction seemingly unaffected by physical laws, is only possible either if its own cohesion is enormous, or if it is constantly translating itself into pure energy and projecting its return into a different point. Then it would be not a subject to ordinary physics.

The third picture from the last ( guy standing alone with sky backdrop) is clearly a bird....


as for the others NEATO!!

The so called Zero Point Radiation is usually imagined as a sort of space thickly filled with some kind of particles of enormous (mutual) energy, but that can only be pure energy (force), and therefore it cannot be projected as a space continuum. It is a singularity, a single pointedness.

That means ZPR is the energy (force), which is, of course, metaphysical.
And as being such it is immeasurable.
Immeasurable doesn't mean it is of enormous quantity (too big a number), it just isn't subject to measuring.

I think it is important, in order to solve this problem of moving without being affected by physical laws, to understand that imagining pure energy, or singularity, as some kind of (ultimately thick) space, may result in hazardous confusion and misconception.

Taking such direction will result in some hybrid solutions which will not really be satisfactory.

Fake or not. The triangular shaped object in the first video is almost exactly what my wife and I saw outside our bedroom window at 4am in July of 1996. We lived in the UK then on the very north edge of Swindon. Nothing but fields between us and RAF Fairford base at the time. We did not notice the two rudder like fins. But the light config & shape are right on. The window was open in our bedroom and it was only 250 feet away. It did not make a sound at all and it moved oh so slowly. No way was normal lift holding it up. Anti-Gravity??

A colleague at work (also in the UK) told me in total confidence (he was afraid to tell most people about it) that he and some friends saw this triangular craft at mid day traveling directly down the M5 motorway at about 50 feet elevation. He said it was going so slow they could drive past it, stop and watch it go by, and then repeat this over and over. He said it was a hundred feet across, which is consistent with my sighting. This craft is real.

Just wanted to mention the LRV could have used nuclear pulse propulsion or nuclear thermal propulsion.

Project Orion (nuclear propulsion)
en.wikipedia.org...(nuclear_propulsion)

Nuclear pulse propulsion
en.wikipedia.org...

or Nuclear Thermal Propulsion
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Can someone please explain how can there be anti-gravity, when gravity is not directional force?

Oh but gravity IS a directional force. Gravity is a "by product" if you will of mass existing on spacial fabric. Think of a bowling ball resting on a mattress and then roll a marble toward but not exactly at the bowling ball. If you roll it close enough, the marble is affected by the "gravitational pull" (or the warping of the spacial fabric caused by the existence of the mass), will roll into the mass. The heavier the mass, the larger the effect on the surrounding spacial fabric. Now that being said, gravity will always flow or warp space in the direction of the center of the mass causing the gravitational pull in the first place.

Anti-gravity would be the ability of an object to completely ignore the spacial warping going on around it. In order for it to happen, in theory, the object in question would have to exist in multispace or completely ignore spacial physics altogether, which still then begs the question - if an object ignores gravity and doesn't follow gravity's flow, then where does it exist when it ignores gravity?

Consider the following - a canoe on a rapidly running river. The canoe is built for riding on water and that's where it exists. Say the canoe encounters a large, deep whirlpool in the middle of the river. The canoe crosses dead center over the whirlpool and hovers over the top of the open mouth of the whirlpool, but doesn't fall in. It's now ignoring the water flow and no longer touching it. If it were, it would fall in because the canoe in contact with the water means the canoe obeys physical laws and would be sucked into the whirlpool. So if the canoe is suspended above the whirlpool, not touching water, not falling in, where is the canoe? It can no longer be considered on the river. An object ignoring physical laws of gravity would be in the same situation - where would it exist if it does not exist on a 3D spacial fabric anymore? Because to come into contact with that spacial fabric means to obey spacial laws and be bound by gravity! Does this mean the object is even visible when it is ignoring gravity? How much power is required to maintain this state?

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Excellent pics, bud!

Here's one that's pretty interesting. A frame grab from the vid below. Looks authentic to me....But alien or man made? That's the big question!





Cheers!

Originally posted by sos37

And just thinking of the problems that AG could solve if released into the auto and airline industry today, as long as the power needs were met, just boggles the mind. Successful proliferation of AG across the nations would completely change how mankind operates! I mean seriously - you talk about those things that come along every great once in a while that revolutionize the world like the wheel, the internet, the pulley, the lever, etc. Antigravity would be HUGE.

You're spot on sos! But remember those darn oil cartels? Now they would never allow that to happen. Their stranglehold over the worlds most dependent energy source - oil - has to be maintained at all costs or they'll stand to lose trillions if an alternative energy source is found that's far more efficient than oil, like AG/ZP energy systems! And then the powers-that-be in the Government would never let that happen as they have a huge stake in it too. After all much of those oily dollars find their way into the pockets of the so called 'peoples representatives'!

So it all boils down to the game of power and pelf at higher government levels as well as the cartels, what with their executives getting millions of dollars in yearly bonuses!!

Cheers!

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Yes that video is definitely interesting !

i was shocked to see someone got a good capture on video like that.

i got some pretty good videos in that playlist and i have to tell you this one is a night time shot but wow....in the beginning you can clearly see some type of triangle craft....no mistaking it



reminds of the Pheonix lights craft called the ' intruder '

i don't think either of these videos are our craft. it does not make sense that these billion dollar top secret vehicles would be where they where spotted.




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Originally posted by DangerDeath
Can someone please explain how can there be anti-gravity, when gravity is not directional force?

Well, for starters no one has been able to understand fully what gravity is all about! There may not be anything called 'anti gravity' but there is a partially understood term called 'gravity shielding'. The details pertaining to this concept can be found in the papers contained in the LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratory) archives.

This basically is a shield that contains a craft, like a bubble, where gravity within is neutralized to zero by intrinsic electromagnetic force fields produced by the craft. The bubble itself moves with the craft inside. This way, the craft can achieve even FTL velocities as it does not go against Einsteins theory of relativity since it is stationary within the gravity shielding bubble. But can this electromagnetic bubble travel faster than light speed? You bet it can as it has zero mass!

Seems like sci-fi, but the theory is in place! Is this how ETs travel across inter stellar distances?

Cheers!

Another explanation of some of these craft could be scale model tests.

Like this one from DARPA:


A good thread discussing these crafts too:
www.abovetopsecret.com...




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The nazi bell and fouches description of the tr3b use the same set up of spinning mercury and achieve a reduction in mass and weight. The bell research is on the net, a guy called john derring i think, works for a defence contractor called sara, well he has duplicated the bell experiment and got a weight loss. Another company called GCT has replicated the MFD from the tr3b, the description for that is on american antigravity but that site has been down for a while at the moment. The negative mass stuff, that is theoretically possible. if spinning mercury reduces mass, then it stands to reason that if you keep spinning faster then it will eventually turn negative, and gravity will have the opposite effect on it. Still theory though, but only because nobody in public view has done it yet. behind closed doors, who knows. It is the ONLY possible way to get an anti gravity effect, and since people are seeing these craft that are exhibiting the charictaristics of anti gravity then it seems obvious to me that someone somewhere has cracked it.

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I don't agree with you. The effect exists, but not because space "bends". Space is a principle, and what bends is our perception and our "expected" logic. Gravity is a variable changing with the "distance" between two given objects. This is why we get the idea of a curve instead of straight line.

But why do we have to observe the Universe in this linear grid kind of existence?

Same applies to the canoe. The purpose of the canoe is the one we gave it. In nature there are no canoes, it is a canoe only because we created an object with specific function. This function is 100% human projection, everything else about this canoe is simply matter and is subject to physical laws. In nature, without its human purpose, canoe is just raw material.

Remember how in Renaissance painters started to use "central perspective". Well, central perspective is not the painters means, it is just an ideology which is used to organize perception in a certain way. It is nothing more than that.

The means of painting is the difference in light intensity and nothing else. Even colors are a totally different affair in painting. You can't use color to articulate form, only the difference in light intensity can be used for that purpose.

Same is with gravity. We may be interested in linear projection of trajectory, which will be distorted by increased mass, but it only means that we should not stick to plane geometry and instead adopt a dynamic view: instead of lines we should use vectors and their combining which results in a dynamical perception of things.

Therefore gravity is immanent to perception itself and the more we perceive the more gravity there is.

The only thing that ignores gravity is the force (energy). And force cannot be perceived - therefore "in effect" it is the anti-gravity, but not in sense that it can be inherent to matter. Matter with the trait of anti gravity doesn't exist.

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I agree, it does sound like SF, but the example you give is proposing the existence of two spaces (perceptions) divided by pure energy (energy field).

Maybe it is possible, but must be understood that energy field itself is not participating as existing "our" space. It does not occupy space (volume). So an object within such space is also not spatial (in our space). The definition of object is that it is something limited by other objects. So if there is one single object there must be a whole Universe coexisting with it. So, either you have an object absolutely translated into energy, or you have created a complete another universe and now you are manipulating that universe in relation to the other (our) Universe and connecting them in whichever point you want by switching from one to another at will.

This cannot be done regardless to our perception. In order to escape the field of existing space (perception) you have to extinguish perception of it (nirvana). This is where physical laws cease to exist.

Of course, doing this is impossible without affecting our essential existence as human beings. It is more than just applying physical laws. It has to be also a mental activity. "Normal" mental activity has to stop at that moment and connect again in a different coordinate in the projected universe. Whether this can be done forcefully by using some machinery which will affect our perception or by our own intent, I don't know.

In this manner, gravity is to be understood as equal to perception. Where there is no perception there is no gravity. Even psychologically it is obvious.

Our perception is held by the idea of continuity. If we can break, disregard, deconstruct this continuity, then we can accomplish anti gravity.

How to further manipulate it and to what purpose, may as well be a question of ethics, that is, subjective motivation.

Let me remind you that many astronauts have gone "nuts" when they experienced levitation. They were removed from the influence of Earth's gravity. They experienced "unity with Universe". Some of them experienced this mystical detachment and empathy, and whatever.

Isn't that what makes them quite unreliable in sense that they achieved a certain, probably decisive ethical enlightenment, which will prevent them from doing things which are opposed to such an ethical standpoint?

This could as well be the reason colonization of Moon or sending people further from Earth (to Mars) had stalled.

What if the experience when flying in such a craft which creates a strong energy field that denies gravity is the same as enlightenment? I'm sure this will pose a great problem for those who pursue power the way powers to be understand it?

Cessation of purpose when in singularity mode may be a strong experience against which no one can possibly go. Such experience makes impossible a man to be in denial of his true nature.

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Excellent thread Mike.

A recent analysis was done regarding the Petit-Rechain picture. The thread and article can be found here. Thanks to SpookyVince for sharing this.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The SOBEPS members – which investigation methods, based on scientific validation of facts, are reliable – ask for an analysis of the picture to Marc Acheroy, nuclear physicist at the Royal Military School; to professor François Louange, from a private digital imagery laboratory which cooperates with the CNRS (“Centre National de Recherche Scientifique”, National Center of Scientific Research, France) and the French Army; to the photography service of the Belgian royal institute of artistic patrimony, which has an efficient photographic laboratory; and to Dr. Richard Haines, who works for NASA in California. Result, after years of analysis: the Petit-Rechain picture is not faked.

Ten years later, the SOBEPS asks the Orsay Optical Institute for counter-analysis. The purpose of this manoeuvre is to analyse the picture with more recent software and to compare the results with the old data. Result: the picture is not faked, and they have discovered something rather surprising, which was invisible until then: a vortex of moving particles surrounding the vehicle. To this day, no one really knows the nature of those particles. It could be an advanced propulsion technology.

Did some world power have advanced propulsion triangular craft fully operational since at least 1990? Interesting to speculate about.


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