reply to post by Roald
Sorry Roald, I have to call you out on two points.
This statement was echoed in a lecture given by the previous Secretary of
Defense, Cohen, on April 27, 1997 at the University of Georgia. He was speaking on weapons of mass destruction and he asserted that "electromagnetic
waves can be used to stimulate geophysical events such as earthquakes, climate change, volcanic eruptions and the like".
What the article says is:
Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use
of electromagnetic waves.
This is inferring that the terrorists are engaging in this activity and not the US. As such, this so called 'lecture' is basically a bunch of nonsense
not far removed from a conspiracy site post with, of course, the inevitable "I can't tell you any thing." (Not in relation to HAARP but the whole
Next you say:
In fact, there is an international treaty going back to 1977 forbidding the use of weapon technologies which do these very same
Yet the US and the EU and Russia and I believe one or two others are still going ahead and building these?
The other point I wanted to tackle?
With HAARP, they thought they would have a little more versatility and the ability to communicate at higher data rates and more efficiently
with submarines at depth.
Sorry, fail. ELF is VERY low bandwidth, only transmitting two or three characters a minute if that. See about half way down
this page on communication with submarines
. If you want more information about
ELF waves and their production and uses see here
There are ELF signals all around us. Power lines @ 50 or 60Hz etc. Even lightning produces ELF signals apparently?!
Don't know anything about that one. The
Earth Tide is another - a signal that can make seismos look very strange sometimes as they move up and down on the plot.
I still maintain that HAARP CANNOT set off Yellowstone and until someone can prove convincingly that it is possible, I will continue to disbelieve. I
am not asking for secret documents, just for the science of it.
Gob no longer smacked.
Now, Brooks Agnew. The Phoenix Science Foundation. Sounds good doesn't it. But it is his own site!
Domain ID: D129309804-LROR
Domain Name: PHOENIXSCIENCEFOUNDATION.ORG
Created On:22-Sep-2006 02:54:26 UTC
Last Updated On:24-Aug-2009 17:56:25 UTC
Expiration Date:22-Sep-2011 02:54:26 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant Name:Brooks Agnew
Registrant Organization: Phoenix Science Foundation
Registrant Street1:248 Lawrence Street
Registrant Postal Code:42431
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: email@example.com
Re Agnew's ELF machine:
Source: The catastrophist
Dr Agnew experienced the power of ELF waves first hand back in the 1980′s. He was hired by an energy company to locate oil and gas using the
same kind of ELF waves (at much lower frequencies) to carry out a search - a process called 'Earth Tomography'. During one particular incident, Dr
Agnew believes his use of HAARP-like ELF waves accidentally triggered an earthquake.
Dr Agnew: “It was in the spring of 1987, we arrived in Roseburg, Oregon to use our ELF technology to search for oil and gas. Setting up that day, we
had a little bit different results than we expected, because the instant that we energized it there was between a 4 and 4.5 (on the Richter scale)
earthquake. We were so amazed about what seemed to be cause and effect - we get to an area that has a high propensity for earthquakes - an area known
as the Mega Thrust [fault line] of the North Pacific - we turn it on and the earthquake occurs.”
site name. Inspires one with confidence
And the proof of this is where? Well as far as I can see nowhere other than in his head.
Perhaps you would like to see his CV on Our Hollowed Earth
Yes, he is the idiot behind this theory.
From another site the information as to how HAARP can cause earthquakes. (This applies to the three blocks below)
A very long wavelength that efficiently passes through the Earth. And that can be used for a number of things including Earth penetrating
tomography, the idea of looking into the Earth, or in plain language it would be by comparison like X-raying the Earth. You're looking into the Earth
for underground mineral layers, underground shelters, nuclear facilities and the like.
Not unless you have specific receivers set up (see lightning tomography above) and know which areas the wave is passing through. It would not be like
X-Raying the earth otherwise it would have been done and mineral exploration would no longer be required - just as one example. It just is not as
easy as that.
Brooks (Agnew) concern was much broader in terms of what could be triggered with Earth penetrating tomography. And one of the things that he noted
was, the effect of resonance. This idea of sending energy in, it harmonizes in such a way that causes the energy to actually to be more than the sum
of the total. It's like the old WWI stories where the armies were marching across wooden bridges in Europe, and some hours after they had marched
across, the bridges would just collapse.
This applies to bridges because the 'wave' is a physical vibration being set up by the marching. By the same token Tesla's machine created resonant
vibrations. It is/was not radio waves. It is my belief that a radio wave of the same resonant frequency as a particular bridge could be pointed at the
bridge in question and left there for years with no effect. I have no proof of that however.
This idea of resonance when applied to Earth penetrating tomography at very high power levels causes concern for many scientists including Brooks
Agnew. Because what he believes is possible, is to trigger events within the Earth. Geophysical events - earthquake, volcanic eruptions, the kinds of
things that may already be on the edge of discharge, and with the right resonant energies added into the system, cause them to overload and actually
fracture. In fact it was William Cohen who actually made the statement regarding weapons of mass destruction and the idea of generating earthquakes
What we have here is basically every web site regurgitating the same old rubbish that it seems even the Senator believes. All sources eventually point
back to Brooks Agnew as being the perpetrator of this immense hoax upon gullible conspiracy theorists.
HOLLOW PLANET THEORY; U.S. scientist, believers to sail on icebreaker Richard Foot, CanWest News Service Published: Wednesday, May 30, 2007
A U.S. scientist and a small band of believers are planning a journey to the Canadian Arctic for what they call "the greatest geological expedition in
Are they searching for Arctic oil reserves? Documenting evidence of climate change?
Not quite. They're looking for a fog-shrouded hole in the Arctic Ocean that leads -- they say -- to the centre of the Earth, where an unknown
civilization is lurking inside the hollow core of the planet.
This time next year, Kentucky based physicist and futurist Brooks Agnew hopes to board the commercially owned Russian icebreaker Yamal in the port of
Murmansk, and to sail into the polar sea just beyond Canada's Arctic islands.
It seems that if the expedition did ever set sail, it obviously fell down the hole as there have been no reports about it since.
A few Earthscope funded projects using tomography.
Refining Seismic Velocity and Attenuation Structure of the
San Andreas Fault Near Parkfield, California Using Full-3D Waveform Tomography
Collaborative Research: Evaluating the Roles of Melt
Migration and Mantle Flow in Lithospheric Evolution: The Colorado Plateau as a Geodynamic Laboratory for EarthScope
Collaborative Research: Multiscale Travel Time Tomography of
the Mantle to 1000 km Depth Beneath the Western USA
Source for these: Earthscope Funded Programs
Now search using these terms in Google:
"finite frequency techniques" +"3-D wave propagation techniques"
You will find an XML file that relates to the last project above. This shows clearly that the receivers are the Earthscope array and the US TA array.
We know these seismographs
The link here relates to people who have
built these HAARP arrays
. The HIPAS
array is now closed.
I could go on and on but I have spent several hours researching this now. Out of literally hundreds of web pages, there is not ONE credible link to
HAARP and earthquakes, only 2 to HAARP and ELF (by the way I don't have a problem with that line, just that it is NOT going to set off earthquakes.)
Nearly every site links back, in some way or another, to Brooks Agnew and NONE of them are able to provide any information other than that apparently
provided by Agnew himself. That does NOT make for a credible argument that HAARP could set off Yellowstone, or any other earthquake. Sorry.
As is so often said on ATS
Photos, links etc or it did not happen
edit on 13/2/2011 by PuterMan because: (no reason given)