Whats going on at yellowstone?, page 473
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reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 11:59 AM by Robin Marks
reply to post by cbxer55



I just tried it and it seems to be working and show a live view.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:50 AM by Robin Marks
reply to post by Caveman122



You're right about the new webicorder charts. Some of them didn't even register the 7 magnitude quake this morning. Usually the Old Faithful shows the waves prominently.

Maybe they're still tweeking them. But you never know. Maybe you should email the USGS and ask them to explain.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 04:17 PM by Blibitz
reply to post by Caveman122

This makes me angry!!! What is the reasone for this??? Why don't they give some kind of explanation???? It really makes me think something is being coverd up!!! I have read the thread since day 1 and a lot of good info has come out of it. A while back I saw a site listed under the old faithfull web cam that said all info from yellowstone runs through the white house before being released to the public. I cant find it anymore.Has anyone else seen this?



reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 05:40 PM by Caveman122
reply to post by Blibitz



Well, maybe we know more at 1 november when they come out with a new update on volcanoes.usgs.gov...

I think the usgs or the utah university has the right to change without notification, but it would be better when they left a message or somekind.

For the moment the webicorders are still changing. For example: LKWY back to 500 mv and YFT back to 125 mv. Didn't check out the others.

The four new webicorders I reported are now gone again?? Whats even more odd is that i cant find them anymore on www.isthisthingon.org.

I'am sure there were four new stations but not showing any data...


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:29 PM by TrueAmerican
reply to post by Caveman122



Being a bit concerned about the recalibration myself, I wrote an email to a couple of the YVO scientists to ask why they did this. Following is the complete exchange (contact info deleted):

My question:

Hello Esteemed Gentlemen,

Many of us were wondering why recently most of the Yellowstone Webicorder displays were calibrated down to such a low sensitivity. Rather than speculate, it would be nice to know why, if either of you would be so kind as to enlighten us. Thanks much!


The reply:

We are happy to answer your inquiry.

I presume you are asking about the amplification scale of our Yellowstone webicorders. In which case their amplifications have not been changed. The amplification value depends on multiple factors including the sensitivity and amplification of the seismometers, amplification of the telemetry and recording systems, ground noise including geothermal, human and wind induced noise, etc. that all lead to what we call the system sensitivity and related magnification. And on occasion station signals are lost due various technical glitches that we fix as soon as possible.

The Yellowstone area as you may expect has a high level of natural noise related to ground shaking from the widespread geothermal features. Thus each station is tuned, like an AM/FM radio station, to show the best signal keeping in mind that we want provide images of small and larger earthquakes that do not go off scale on the recording system.

In more detail, calibrations of display systems depend the amplification levels set on the preamp, seismometers, etc., that depend on natural ground noise conditions. Then the amplification levels are set on the webicorders for optimum viewing and implicitly take into account the system calibration. This means that each station webicorder is tuned to its own condition.

An example of our seismic station metadata with sensor information can be seen from:

www.quake.utah.edu...

Station metadata and quality information including calibration response can be accessed in a station by station mode at:

www.quake.utah.edu...

This information is required to manage the network in terms of calibration data for all stations and display of such data, but it is in technical seismology terminology.

The bottom line is that if we turn up a station magnification it may cause loss or over saturation of a signal from larger the daily earthquakes. Thus our staff works at keeping the webicorder at optimum levels for best fidelity over the average daily magnitude range expected for a specific station.

Hope that helps.


I'll leave you all to interpret what you want from that exchange, but to me it is interesting that daily expectations of activity play a role here in determining at what display sensitivity they choose. Why? Because I can't recall that being an issue before. We watched those webicorders all through the January swarm, and there were ongoing discussions about that in this thread. Anyone ever remember seeing the calibrations change before to that extent? Especially in LKWY's case, from 500 mv to 8000 mv??? I don't.

So yeah, I thought that was pretty strange alright.


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 08:25 AM by TrueAmerican
reply to post by Shirakawa



Well, I think I remember one or two changing, but it was nothing like what just happened. The changes were minor.

I agree it was a bit vague. Have to really wonder if they are, or were, expecting bigger quakes to start happening. Otherwise, why would they decrease the sensitivity that far? Clearly they are concerned about over saturation of the webicorder displays. And that means to me that they changed them to accommodate bigger quakes. Dunno. *shrug*


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 09:04 AM by Shirakawa
reply to post by TrueAmerican



The previous scaling for most webicorders seemed fine to me, though. Webicorders appeared to clip data (they probably did, but not by much), but that's mainly because data from seismometers is already clipped (if you've catched big earthquakes on GEE from WY network seismometers you have probably seen that their signals appear saturated for several seconds, then slowly decay) probably because of the limited range of the analog telemetry used by them.

So increasing the vertical scaling of webicorders seems to me a bit strange. Seismic data will still appear clipped. The difference is that now smaller signals will be hard to see, if at all.

[edit on 2009-10-29 by Shirakawa]
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