Whats going on at yellowstone?

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I also gave on in a former reply that there seems to be a 3month sequence in the swarms.....


[edit on 12-7-2009 by ressiv]

reply to post by Shirakawa

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Scratch the prediction. I only blurted it out. I had been mulling over the activity on and around July 7th. The problem is that I am dyslexic. I mixed up apogee and perigee. In the army I was contstantly being sanctioned for mixed up my left foot and right foot when marching. Sorry.

The rest of the links are about the tomography of hot spots. RavenLogic accused me of providing bad information. I said Yellowstone is not a plume. The plume theory is not supported by the data. The tomography (basically it's an X-ray of the magma chamber) shows they are shallow formations. They do not originate from deep within the mantle. The hypothesis emerging from the data is that there are cracks in the lithosphere (the crust). Not upwells from within the mantle which creates pockets within the lithosphere. The tomography from Iceland, Hawaii, and Yellowstone all show shallow origins and are not homgeneous molten magma chambers. Like the chambers described in the Plume Theory.

In Jake Lowenstern's You Tube video, An Unscripted (motherf&*% unscripted) Interview, he states that the YVO geologists believe that eruption in near future is unlikely because the chamber is not homogeneous. They even go so far as to say that it may never erupt again because there isn't enough molten material to have enough energy to erupt. But this is an assumption which isn't based on a fact or all the data. It is based on the Plume Theory which isn't supported by the tomography of any other hot spot. As RavenLogic described, geologists believe the plume created chambers which blasted a chain of caldera over the last 15 million years. But there is no evidence that all the chambers were all fully molten magma chambers. They all could have had very similiar tomographic signatures. The geologists are not basing their conclusions on any historical findings, and they seem to be ignoring the fact that there is no homogeneous hot spots existing anywhere in the world today. It's kinda like the Black Swan Problem. Only in reverse. They are concluding Black Swans exist even before the discovery. That's my major beef. The YVO reassures the public that Yellowstone is not a threat, but it's not based on the data. They are basing their conclusions on The Plume Theory, which is in the process of being abandoned because there is no data to support it.

Bad information. I've been accused of bad information. I'm just providing the data provided by the geologists. I don't blame RavenLogic for believing Yellowstone is a plume. I also thought this to be the fact because I read all the same information. I didn't just read it, I searched and searched and searched for every scrap I could find. It was just a fluke that I decided to read an article I stumbled across in my email. It was only after I found the research from the Iceland Project did I realize there was a debate about the new data and that there was a real possibility that the Plume Theory wasn't valid. And I've concluded it's not valid according to the data. That's science. You take the data and if it does fit the model for the hypothesis, you disregard the hypothesis and try to determine what the numbers are telling you. The fact is there is no plume under Yellowstone. And if there is tomography of a hot spot showing a plume from somewhere in the world, please provide me with that information.

Thanks for posting information instead of bashing other people!
Means alot and I am as constantly amazed at the immaturity
of some, as of the maturity and tact of others!

Thanks everyone for real information and for not
putting others down! Ahem.....
No one is perfect, but apparently some here think they are....
Nice posts Robin.
Dont be discouraged ,theres always a namecaller/naysayer in the crowd.

Record Number of Visitors Descend on Yellowstone in June

www.yellowstoneinsider.com...
WHEEWHOO! Maybe all this notoriety is paying off for YS!

reply to post by Robin Marks

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Hi Robin, I have to say that I am with you on the non-plume theory, which as far as I can see is born out by the experiments in Iceland. Very interesting that one.

The fact of the matter is of course that no one can predict when the next eruption will be at Yellowstone, but we should all look at all angles to see if we can make any sense of things.

reply to post by Robin Marks

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So? What's your point. There's a string of progressively younger caldera's from south to the northeast. Yellowstone sits around the youngest caldera. One way or another it erupts periodically. Scientists havent ever been below the surface to dissect the system. Are you including with your precisely calculated predictions of quakes (ha, ha, ha, that was funny) that you've been down there personally to check out the details?

Ta boot, the Yellowstone geologist guys have added instruments to predict future change. Cool. Uh, so you're saying that if the guys with the instruments see what appears to be significant, real change, that they won't tell us about it? Wow, aren't you the pessimist. Were you beaten as a child? No, it appears to be self-flagellation but not with the cat-o-nine-tails rather with nerdmieister-scientist web postings on the tedious minutia of mechanism and process.

No one here really gives a crap dude. All we want is for the thing to erupt and erupt soon. And we want to have predicted it before the other people have predicted it so that we can feel a shred of self importance because we're constantly being pushed down by the man.

reply to post by RavenLogic

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RavenLogic,

You begin with a reasonable rebuttle to Mr. Marks and then quickly deteriorate into a personal name calling attack.

I think we can all see where the credibility is, and isn't.
Your difference of opinion is welcomed. Lose the rest though.

I know nobody asked me. Sorry, I just had to say it anyway. Dodadoom inspired me.

did i miss something important?


madison river has been acting funnky lately........

There is no logic in my next statements. The region in the back of my mind is nagging me. It's telling me that although I don't completely understand the dynamic, July 21-23 will be especially an active time for earthquakes under the lake. All I can say is watch the moon as it fades and watch to seeing if there's any correlation. I'm laughing at my own gall. But what's to fear about being wrong and failing. It's all an experiment.

I pondered a way to reply to RavenLogic's logic, but I could find no course until I made a discovery. So I will respond with music and song and muse. Listen to it twice and join along with the chorus with all your heart.

www.fark.com...

reply to post by alysha.angel

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It's construction noise.

If you check the park's construction blurb you will see it is ongoing until the end of August.


M.

HERE IS THE LATEST HOUR LONG DOCU ON YS . HOPE IT HASNT BEEN POSTED YET.......

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Please give us an url

M.

oh crap ok ill fix it just hold on



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i hope these Urls work soz about that last post

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reply to post by alysha.angel

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Good Find Alysha.angel,

In think it was interesting how they talked about the elevation of the lake bed raising the steamboat. I am fairly sure we spotted that due to the lake output levels being oddly high before they could even get a boat out there. (Not that any of us ever got credit lol!)

I thought the 'Earth Quake "V"' was pretty interesting as well, as it supposedly shows the position of the hot spot/plume/conduit feeding the volcano. I'll have to watch the last section where they talk about ground deformation again as I likely missed the actual rate of climb there.

M.

reply to post by Moshpet

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thanks if you peeps want me to i can also post the bbc docu drama about YS . the whole thing is on youtbue.

in the mean time ill keep my eyes open

reply to post by alysha.angel

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If you want too sure, but I think most of the regulars that visit here have seen it already LOL. Though just putting the links to it would be fine, as the video boxes eat a lot of bandwidth for folks with out dsl/cable/t1 lines.

M.

Video about Yellowstone (including information about the 2008/2009 earthquake swarm) from CNN:

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Another short Yellowstone video from CNN. Not really related to earthquakes or past earthquake swarms:

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[edit on 2009/7/22 by Shirakawa]

I step away for about 6 months (wow, longer than I thought lol)...and the old girl is still humming. I'm impressed, this thread is still hot too!(no volcano pun intended...purely coincidental, I assure you). ;-)