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Who will bring all the religions together?


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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 07:55 PM by AshleyD


Originally posted by flyingfish
I find it hard to believe Christians have a lock on this idea.


They don't. The Jewish Tanakh (The Christian Old Testament) and some groups of Muslims (from the Hadiths) believe in a similar figure as well. Christians believe in the same one prophesied in the Hebrew texts and the Islamic prophecies post date them both so neither would have answered your question which is why I didn't dwell on them.

However, I think you are missing something that might be pertinent. The three Abrahamic faiths predict a savior-like figure (The Messiah for Judaism, Jesus' Return for Christianity, and the Mahdi for Islam). All three also predict a nemesis to these figures (he goes under many names in Judaism, he is the AntiChrist in Christianity, and is the Dajjal in Islam).

So the 'hero vs. nemesis' concept is found in the three Abrahamic faiths. Then there are other religions, mostly eastern and new age movements, that teach a coming future figure who will be entirely good and nemesis-free. None of them predate the Jewish prophecies as far as I am aware.

Also, judging by your second post to this thread, it shows me you might possibly be looking for something that meshes with your current skepticism instead of finding the truth in this matter. Again, to my knowledge, no other religious prophecy states a figure will come onto the scene merging all religions, the prophecies that at least predict a future religious or government leader do not precede the Judeo-Christian prophecies, and finally, not even the Christian prophecies necessarily claim the false religion will be an ecumenical movement (although it is possible).

An important factor that must also be noted is that the religious prophecies that do foretell of a future character mostly deal with that religion being pressed forward and they will not be ecumenical. For instance, Christians believe Jesus will set up Christianity as the world religion, Muslims believe the Mahdi will set up Islam as the world religion, etc.

There is no prophecy I know of that specifically foretells of a merging future religion, nevertheless one that predates the Judeo-Christian prophecies.

What if the Christians produce a leader that brings all religions together?How could he be the AC?


If it is a false Christian who ushers in some perverted Christian doctrine then this is a possible scenario. Also, remember there is a difference between the false prophet and the Antichrist. The AC mostly deals with government and the FP mostly deals with the future false religion.

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Absolutely. I do agree with you, but to an extent. Which leads me to:

Originally posted by flyingfish
So I'm to understand everyone will be fooled? except the Christians?


Not necessarily. We're told this deception will be so grand and so convincing that 'it would deceive even the elect, if possible.' Basically, even Christians may be taken aback and second guess themselves when the AC first comes on the scene. This is why in the same context Jesus told His audience to pay special attention to His warnings regarding what to look out for.

The Judeo Christian prophecies give very detailed prophecies. If you heed those, you'll be able to spot the identity of the AC/FP when they take control. We're also told a countless multitude comes to the Lord during this time. So, no- Not only [current] Christians will see the light because there will be new conversions and even current Christians will have to be vigilant.

[edit on 12/26/2008 by AshleyD]



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 07:58 PM by MatrixProphet


Interesting thoughts!

Perhaps I can add this one:

Since it is Biblical based (in which I feel was created and used to divide and mislead the religious masses) - is it possible that the Anti-Christ will only be evil according to Christianity? Supposing the opposite is true?

[bAshleyD and others are tired of hearing this from me - so I apologize, but if Jesus came back down (which he isn't, IMO) I think that he would be labeled the AC! Why?

Because his message would be so different than expected, and would be turned away. But because the AC doesn't fit the suspected profile, he/it/they will be spurned by the religious community.

But not necessarily by the rest of the world who are looking for divine intervention in a different way.

Just like Paul may have been the ultimate deceiver, so the AC could actually be the opposite of what we have been taught!! What a concept!



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 08:07 PM by DangerDeath


In Brothers Karamazov Dostoevsky wrote a chapter The Grand Inquisitor and in that chapter he explained this whole problem.
He clearly named who the Antichrist was/is.
It is the Church.



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 08:16 PM by 12.21.12


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They did not know about project Bluebeam, they work towards these things as technology develops. They did however know that an age lasts 3,600 years. So the timing of the AC is based on this timeframe.



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 09:10 PM by Evilsob


This the chicken or the egg scenario.
The Christan's create the chicken and wait for the egg to hatch!
Ha I got you!!



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 10:24 PM by flyingfish


I'm not going to believe this is all ATS members have on this topic.
I will do some homework and see if there is more.



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 10:29 PM by For(Home)Country


To be quite honest, you are asking a very broad question. I find it very improbable that any ats members have close connections with mass movement groups that plan on uniting the world under one religion. However, like stated here many times, the Bible does have a lot to say about this sort of thing, and that there will be an anti-Christ. As far as a specific person as you are looking for, there is a recent thread which can be found
here.
I hope this helps you!
Peace.



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 10:32 PM by 12.21.12


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You were asking about Project BlueBeam? Project Bluebeam is where the governments plan on telling us about the history of the earth using holographic technology. It is believed that this will also be accompanied with the AntiChrist.

Looks like they are going to use the London 2012 Olympics to do this or as some would like to call it, ZION. If you are looking for this alleged antichrist you might want to take a closer look at Jesus first.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 10:39 PM by AshleyD


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You might want to try altering your question. There are numerous prophesied religious figures said to create and/or restore a religion and there are predicted figures said to unite humanity but so far, it doesn't look like there are any prophecies referring to a figure who will unite religions.

That was your specific question but the answer to that is that it doesn't look like it. Especially none that predate it. Good luck in your search, though, and please post it if you come up with something. I'd be interested in seeing it.



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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:50 PM by lunarminer


Well, if you mean that all the faiths merge and agree on a single doctrine, that is never going to happen. The reason is that different religions teach different things and many of these are contradictory of the others.

Take the creation story, there is Genesis and that is basically accepted by Jews and Christians and to a lesser extent Muslims. However, Jews and Muslims believe radically different things about the later chapters of Genesis. Each group claiming that they are the true heirs of Abraham. The Jews through Jacob and the Muslims through Esau. This is a fundamental difference in belief and cannot be easily reconciled.

That is one simple example, there are thousands of religions and probably millions of fundamental differences. As you probably know, people don't give up their beliefs easily, this is why there are so many pagan symbols in Christianity. Even when people convert to a new Faith, they almost always bring with them old beliefs that may not be compatible.

So, short of a worldwide religious event that suddenly and dramatically shifts the religious beliefs of a majority of people, I don't think that a unification of Faith is possible. Remember that the Roman Empire tried that when they created the Catholic Church. Nice try fella's but no cigar.

So, what kinds of events could cause a worldwide shift in religious thinking?

Well, the invention of a time machine could do it, because then everyone could see for themselves what actually happened. That could be the end game for most religions.

Aliens landing on the White House lawn and coming out and saying that all those miracles through the ages, were performed by them. That could do it. This is the scenario in "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke.

An event like the rapture, could do it.

Other's have mentioned the Anti-Christ who is supposed to do it by force.

The Christ was supposed to do it by spiritual means.

Holy War could do it, especially if one side had superior weapons.

A worldwide cataclysm of biblical proportions, like a second flood, a giant meteorite, or nuclear war.

These are a few, you can decide which ones are likely to happen.



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 12:58 AM by spellbound


Jesus Christ will come again to rule the earth. All false religions will be banished - simple really. If you read the Bible, and/or Nostradamus, and/or heaps of other stuff, it spells it out clearly.

'Religion' is something that has been ruined by mankind, as we ruin everything - this world, other people, animals, the environment etc etc etc. Sometimes I am ashamed to belong to the human race - wait a minute, maybe I am "the one" - lol just kidding. Or maybe I am the great Reptilian? hahaha

Jesus will come again.

Peace and love



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 01:04 AM by spellbound


Whenever I want to discuss something, you guys have all gone - I am in NZ so I am on a totally different time zone - NOT FAIR, boo hoo



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 01:30 AM by 12.21.12


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Yes you are absolutely correct. That is why the Antichrist was injected into this tale of gloom and doom. The so called antichrist will come and many of people of various faiths will oppose him and be lead to slaughter just as we have seen done so many times in history. Jesus Christ does not return. So we are left with this antichrist figure and no one else. Thats the irony of the antichrist, there was no messiah, therefor will be no second coming of christ just the one many will refer to as the antichrist.



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 01:31 AM by 12.21.12


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Jesus Christ will come again to rule the earth.



Just as Caesar did.



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 02:13 AM by DangerDeath


The only ideology that has a chance to unite all religions into one is the religion of "Survivalism", as the things look like now.
Everybody seems to believe that the battle for survival is going on, even though little children know that no one in this Universe will survive.
The power of self delusion is such that it can overpower most human minds and lead them into self destruction in the name of survival.
What an absurd species human being are!



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 02:18 AM by 12.21.12


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Actually humans will survive, thats the way it works. Question is who? Well I have good news for you. The reason those in power wish to manipulate physics is exactly that. They wish to survive. They have to manipulate the universe to do so.



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 02:51 AM by cognoscente


Why do all of you anticipate some great convergence? It's so annoying. Way, way, way too much. It's so redundant and overdone. I'm not even going to critically analyze such a notion. It's just far too taxing.

[edit on 27-12-2008 by cognoscente]



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 03:52 AM by Boniouk06


Originally posted by flyingfish
What is this illuminati? or the bluebeam?
Can this answer my question about the topic?


I would suggest reading revelations from the Bible.
You can read that here
www.biblegateway.com...

Then i would say read about the NWO and the ever growing worry that we are entering a time where by we may be controlled by a single power in the world. You can read about the new world order everywhere.

Then read about the visions at fatima. Then mainly the happenings at Garabandal and Medjugorje. They go into more detail about the anti christ and the circumstances surrounding his return, what will happen etc.

Garabandal especially says there will be 3 things that happen in the end days, these include a big sign in the sky that everyone will be able to see, and not be able to deny the truth of God because of this symbol. Project bluebeam is an undercover project that apparently is planning on bringing us a new world order by simulating these happenings first before the real events. To fool us and make us believe the new leader is Christ. Its far fetched but every single thing from Christianity, to NWO, to garabandal prophecies, to how we are living today, all adds up so it is quite interesting if nothing else.



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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 04:03 AM by Boniouk06


12.21.12... i just want to discuss something with you if its okay, coz you seem intelligent, clued up, and i did like your prediction as to what will happen, even if i dont directly believe it.

Anyway, this isnt a stab, just something im thinking, so please feel free to question your beliefs...

If the illuminati did indeed write the bible to set all this up, why would they include so many parables, moral stories, loving tales etc, to make Christians try and be good people.
If they then want to take over the world 2000 years, or 3,600 years later, and lead all the "tricked" Christians to slaughter... aren't they leaving all the atheists who question and rebel, and indeed killing all the Christians who have been fooled and easily led?

They are killing the VERY group of people that it would be very easy for a NWO to cope with and keep at bay. If a nwo did start, it would be the atheist outside the box thinkers that would be the trouble. If you could describe the very people that the NWO would want to keep, it would be people like christians (if its all fake) coz they are obviously willing to go along with what told, right? it would serve no purpose to get rid of the wrong types of people.


Oh and finally, you would i assume, accept that throughout history, the NWO have been at the centre of many if not all large organiszations? What about the romans? if they werent illuminati then they came VERY close to globalisation and take over? explain that... if your argument is that they too are the illuminati? then why did they capture and kill many of the people involved in writing the Bible.... after all, the Bible is "their" work that they want people out there to know and read, yet they are killing people who are writing it to stop them?... again, doesnt add up.



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