Simpleton

The true evolution of the story is this: flames become more and more dark and extinguish because sprinklers work very well.

Problem was that the sprinkler plumbing were smashed by the aircraft
impacts - sprinklers were inoperative above the 92th floor (North)
and 78th floors (South)

Survivors reported water cascading down stairs from broken pipes

B.J.B.: Water was pouring down the stairwell, and all the while the building was creaking and cracking, and it felt like it was coming apart.

Erik O. Ronningen : I remember how calm and orderly the descent in the stairwells was… and how smoky… accompanied occasionally with the snapping sounds of tortured pipes and walls stressed beyond endurance.

The black smoke was result of carbon rich fuels burning - at first the jet
fuel from the aircraft, later plastics from floor covering (carpeting),
furniture (urethane paddind) and office dividers (Styrofoam/urethane)

Plastics are made from petroleum and burn with 50-100% energy
(12,000 - 16000 btu/lb) verus organic (wood, paper cloth - 8000-8500
btu/lb)

i tend to wonder why the hijackings stopped if they're so successfull. why not hijack planes somewhere in the mideast and drop them on us targets in iraq?

manhattan is one of the richest cities in the world. if it's suceptible to such an attack surely it could be done elsewhere.

i tend to wonder why the hijackings stopped if they're so successfull. why not hijack planes somewhere in the mideast and drop them on us targets in iraq?

Actually hijacking had pretty much died out by late 1990's - special ops
forces had developed tactics to combat conventional hijacking -
those in which hijackers seize plane and passengers, fly to some location
and begin making demands. These hijackers were dependent on cooperation of the flight crews to take them where wanted and help
keep passengers under control. Many countries would refuse landing
permission to hijacked aircraft - in some cases going as far to block
runways. US authorities were concentrating on bomb attacks like that
of PAN AM 103.

The 9/11 hijackers did not want the passengers as hostages, the passengers were "in the way" and had to be controlled. Witness what
happened on Flight 93 when passengers figured out what was going to
happen. They wanted the planes - no normal flight crew was going to
fly plane into building, no matter how much pressure was applied. 9/11
hijackers killed the flight crew and were trained to fly plane - at least
the basics in handling an aircraft.

To carry out 9/11 took large group (19 hijackers, at least 4 trained to
fly), high degree of planning and training which required 2 years to under take.

Originally posted by RFBurns
The buildings were designed to collapse vertically. The intense heat from the burning jet fuel after impact was not some typical camp fire going on in there. The sheer weight of what was above the impact points is what caused the framework to give way and since the buildings were designed to collapse vertically...down they came...as they were designed to do.

Surely no one was expecting them to topple over like a tree cut at its trunk?

Basic laws of physics took hold, ie gravity and the engineering put into the design of the buildings prevented more damage than what was caused.



Cheers!!!!

Did you see the same footage I saw? I never saw the buildings topple like a tree. One started to, but fell right into it's foot print bypassing the laws of motion all together.

The buildings, if you watch the footage, do not topple. Each floor explodes in a wave detonation downwards till it hits the base.

All the smoke wasn't caused by fire, it was caused by pulverized concrete, which is what happens when you blow every floor in a building that never had a plane hit it, that was only on the T.V. version.

What New Yorkers saw, was a drone flying in the same flightpath then breaking into a steep climb after the explosions. You can see these drone aircraft in various pictures, so no one would question people "seeing the planes". If only one saw a plane, then everyone would say they saw a plane, but nobody saw the planes hit the buildings, they just heard the Explosions.

Find a flight manifest from any of the flights, you won't be able too, because those flights were not active on 9-11-01

Even the taxi cab driver infront of the Pentagon has come forward reluctently saying, "It was all staged".

Peace

Originally posted by thedman

i tend to wonder why the hijackings stopped if they're so successfull. why not hijack planes somewhere in the mideast and drop them on us targets in iraq?

Actually hijacking had pretty much died out by late 1990's - special ops
forces had developed tactics to combat conventional hijacking -
those in which hijackers seize plane and passengers, fly to some location
and begin making demands. These hijackers were dependent on cooperation of the flight crews to take them where wanted and help
keep passengers under control. Many countries would refuse landing
permission to hijacked aircraft - in some cases going as far to block
runways. US authorities were concentrating on bomb attacks like that
of PAN AM 103.

The 9/11 hijackers did not want the passengers as hostages, the passengers were "in the way" and had to be controlled. Witness what
happened on Flight 93 when passengers figured out what was going to
happen. They wanted the planes - no normal flight crew was going to
fly plane into building, no matter how much pressure was applied. 9/11
hijackers killed the flight crew and were trained to fly plane - at least
the basics in handling an aircraft.

To carry out 9/11 took large group (19 hijackers, at least 4 trained to
fly), high degree of planning and training which required 2 years to under take.

Why do professional pilots say that the manuvers performed at the speeds they were flying at is such a longshot that there is no way on the first time, with BOTH Planes.

I've tried it in simulation with a 707. It is almost impossible, I couldn't do it at least.

Big planes are not easy to fly and there is no way that a pilot certified in a Cessna could do it, unless they were illegally flying before and had extensive training...even then....Hollywood is Good, but they aren't using Good actors in this one. How many movies did they drill into our heads to produce the "Shock and Awe" of a fake coup?

Anyway, just thought i'd mention that.

Peace

Oh fire protection? (something I do for a living).

still waiting for the information on the fire panel? and not to mention the information sent to the remote service?

and for people that don't know about fire protection and what the fire panel is / and remote service...this is like the little black box on a plane.

Still waiting for this information....and it's over 5 years now...why a delay?

If there is nothing to hide? Why can't we see this information?

A canadian friend (still waiting),
me