Uproar in Australia over plan to block Web sites, page 2
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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:30 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by NuclearPaul



Kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't! The deterance doesn't seem to exist for these people. I'm not sure any one has ever tried to explore if any are ever cured or stop their interest in children. So many reasons for this problem crop up that its hard to put a quantitive number on the problem. Assuredly though, once implemented, it will be expanded to include anything our governments wish to hide from us. i wonder what the techies that work to undermine this censorship will come up with to fight it. I'm sure a few brilliant folks are already working on it! I hope!!!
Zindo



reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:00 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by Disclosure Agent



Gee, thanks for slapping the whole US as being brainwashed, I didn't know I was so ignorant or stupid. Thanks for letting us know. I have always wondered what it was that made us so differant from the brainwashed Aussies!!!LOL

Zindo


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:29 PM by Mikey84
Originally posted by Disclosure Agent
I think also what were forgetting is Australia isn't some brainwashed country like the USA where even though you have free speech, everyday your rights are bieng taken away !!!!


At least they actually have rights to be taken away, here in Australia we don’t. We have so little rights here compared to most western countries and most unfortunately a lot of Aussies just take what’s given to them without question.

You call the whole USA brainwashed, yet I bet you have probably never even been there, you have been watching way too much Australian media (they’re usually all anti-US). Most people over here who are anti-US don’t really have a valid reason, they just are because it seems to be the “in thing” here, sheeple I guess.

Originally posted by Disclosure Agent
The Australian public would run rampant all over this if it was even close to getting put into Goverment


No they wouldn’t, as said above I have noticed from living here that a lot of Aussies don’t stand up for themselves and their rights (what little there is) and just bend over backwards and take whatever is given to them. Not all Aussies, but unfortunately a large majority, this is the sad truth about this country. There is only a small minority who would and will actually stand up against this.

People here don’t stand up to things like this, they just follow whatever their backward media tell them and fall for it hook line and sinker all the time.

We don’t even have bloody Free Speech in this country, and I haven’t seen one protest about it or any Australians complain about it, and you have the nerve to call the USA brainwashed?

People in glass houses.........

Mikey


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:41 PM by Flighty
I saw the Minister who's department is responsible for implementing it, Conrad I think his name is, on a show a few weeks ago.
And the guy looked and sounded NERVOUS.

He's been inundated with emails of protest with a lot of people threatening to protest in the streets if this goes ahead. (Myself included.)

So the message is getting through.

I don't trust the Australian government with these kind of things.

The gun buy back after Port Arthur, was an absolute failure.
Now the crims/gangs have all the guns and gun crime/shootings are just as bad as they ever were.

This has nothing to do with Child Pornography.
They know that it won't stop it.
The trojan horse is actually INTERNET CENSORSHIP OF INFORMATION.

The government can control what is reported in the newspapers/radio and TV but they have no control on what is reported on the Internet.
And it bugs the hell out of them....

The best investigative journalism I have seen in a long time, is what I've seen on the Net. These people can't be bought off/silenced and only have one agenda....finding the truth.

I saw Rupert Murdoch on Meet The Press and even he said that he has no idea where the print media goes from here as the Net has taken over how people receive and acquire their news which is usually from alternative news sites.

And because Murdoch has a lot of sway with our government, then it doesn't surprise me in the least that all this filtering which will ultimately squash alternative news/alternative sites, is well and truly underway under the guise of protecting children.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 08:50 PM by falcon
The United States congress tried this in 2004 and 2006 they tried to do it in secret both times and I caught them doing it needless to say they didnt get away with it yet. This is the ultimate problem when you deal with both censorship and freedom of speach.

ATS exists because we no matter where we are in the world all of us come here for our own reasons and in many cases own agenda's. The question is where do you draw and line and even if you do how do you enforce it?

Brute force leads to more brute force exc exc exc. Regulation's lead to excessive laws and unnessarry force excerted on populations around the world.

Sooner or later The united states government along with other government's are going to push there citizens too far and there will be a backlash to what extent and what level that occurs I dont know I can only speculate.

Anthony Scelea of the United States Supreme Court had a interview on pbs not that long ago on this very issue of enforcement and regulation of freedom of speach when it came to the cia leak case. I have had people derail my investigations too so I know how frustrating it can be trying to do something and have someone or some special interest group come in and screw everything up.

Its a outstanding and great thing to explore to question where do we draw that invisible line of what can be done and what will not be done and who sets the line and why and what do we call morals exc exc.

One could argue that the Austrailian Government has the right to police it's people and govern its people how it sees fit the only problem with that is you cannot make everyone happy we dont live in a perfact world and we never will.

Clearly there is a standard that says in most but not all cultures including government's that says homosexuality is detramental to society and is not something that should be premoted or tollerated. These kinds of questions people in every leadership and governing position ponder everyday and still to this day we dont have a exact working formula.

Where do you draw the line I would say the clear standard would be or should be do unto others as they do unto you. If a nation starts a war against you or your way of life there is a reason to engage in a war aganist that country.

The same for regulation and so called right's the only rights I consider anyone to have in the united states are ones people are willing to stand up and enforce. If someone does not use the rights they have or have been given they lose them. If they are not aware of the rights they have most people would say ignoreance is no excuse for the law.

That is a whole bigger arguement and discussion for another day.

Thats my 2 cents for today.

Falcon




reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:48 AM by cpdaman
First 3 posts replying to the OP pretty much sums up how rational people with an awareness of gov't tactics realize this is a try to push emotional buttons on people in a step wise way to get there foot in the door to control information on a broader scale. This same method has worked in history and that is why it is used.

Also the standard of living is going DOWN down DOWN in the western country's especially, (and it's not going back up much) so when people are ready to weigh that for a moment, they may realize that when the standard of living /quality of life goes down for a extended period ..........historically (throughout civiliatons) freedoms are removed, so that a elite can maintain its power better when the potential for social unrest grows........and in it's place we may see shows like the "running man" with arnold.

And the gov't will not tell you straight what's gonig on, they don't think you can handle the truth, and they know you wouldn't be happy with it either, so they do things in round a bout ways , and use the joke of a media to push your emotional buttons to delude you into thinking there proposals and actions have merit and value.

the worst example of this today is the handling of the financial crisis. giving greedy short cited big wigs who were risky enough to get into this mess a blank check from regulators who hope to get a job as one of these big wigs next year (or already had one) and then passing down that "this is a good ..necessary thing that is required or the economy will get worse" message down thru media outlets who are dependant on the financial loans from these big financial company's and who are in charge of creating confidence in the market and want to climb the corporate latter and not make waves or whistle blow keeps the real information and motivations BLOCKED from most peope's comprehension and surely reduces the amount of protesting and rioting against these thieves. ensuring things will get worse but those in power can fight and plunder the health of the real economy to "use all tools" to "ensure there wealth is preserved" and we will continually be surprised to the "down side" and be fed lies that keep us confused and prey on our naive beliefs (that these people are good hearted, trustworthy, and care)



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