Originally posted by DantesLost
My point is to do with the percentage.How many people are needed before something becomes the norm?

I'm not sure, "the norm" changes all the time. During Plato's time to have sexual slave boys was a norm. Homosexuality is a norm in many countries, so who knows, but it is a behavior and in America there are many behaviors that are not considered a norm as other countries.

But until we become hermaphrodites it is abnormal in nature, but is this a point to anything at all, probably not.

Originally posted by TruthParadox

The percepton of most Christians is that gays are living in sin and are in many ways inferior. This perception forms the reality of others looking down on these people.

I was born heterosexual, so when I see that a guy likes another guy, I don't understand that. But you know what? I DON'T NEED TO!
Likewise, Christians DON'T need to judge what's beyond their understanding, yet they make it their business to do exactly that.

I don't think inferior comes into play, but more along the lines of a behavior that is against their religious views and teachings.

It is in nature's best interest for a person to have sex with as many different people as they can. There are even studies that show we are geared this way. To have many wives is economically smart and more efficient in raising children. Why have an artificial age limit of 18 when our bodies mature many years before that?

There are many more “whys” and all I can say is our society was based on religious men whose values were grounded in the Jewish and Christian Scriptures, and this has set what behaviors are right or wrong in America.

Whether you agree or disagree this is who we are and were we came from.

Originally posted by Good Wolf


Our origins they may be but we aught to rise above such convictions, especially when they lead to the discrimination of people for reasons out of their power.

We are talking a behavior here are we not? If your behavior was to cheat every weekend on your wife and I didn’t like you because of that behavior, is that wrong?

Let’s say we wiped the slate clean on all behaviors, who will be the one to pick and choose which ones are ok? You will have 10,000 behaviors all standing in line saying mine should be a norm in society including heterosexuality.

When you talk of discrimination what do you mean? For marriage, should we change religious text to allow behaviors that are forbidden, or do we change the law so every couple is a civil union in the eyes of the government, so all have equal benefits?


[edit on 3-1-2009 by Xtrozero]

I can only take responsiblity for my own perspective through my own experiences.

As a society we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than two men holding hands.

I personally love both sexes equally, as there is perfection and beauty in them both.

I am sexually attracted to females, but since I have been on my current path I ave noticed I am becoming more and more androgenous. It is very beneficial as I can remain more neutral and assist both sexes better.

I wish as humans we could stop thinking and speaking in absolutes, that is not reality. Choice will only be relative to your perspective. We are who we are. And we will love who we love.

Perhaps if we could stop viewing ourselves as just a physical body that evolved from monkeys we could answer some of these questions with deeper insight and compassion.

This thread has been very insightful but there are still some here spreading intolerance. Grow up. It's 2009. We're all equal no matter who you jump into bed with, hold hands with, kiss, or watch romantic movies with.

Time to evolve.

Be In Peace. Walk with love.

[edit on 22-3-2009 by Asmus]

Ok. for the survey, and some of this might be long-winded.. . I'm male by the way.. (Keeps you from having to look at my profile. ).

How old were you?
5? 15? 21? 35?

Here's the story. I couldn't see until I was 4 - 1/2. Went through fourteen surgeries. The person who removed my bandages for the first time, that I could see anything, was a young red-headed female nurse, who wore, (I found out later Chanle #5). She was the first person I saw, so her sight and smell, were the first thing I can honestly say were imprinted on my memory. If I weren't hardwired to be straight before then, then I was at that time. I'd say 4-5.


Have you always just known? As far as I know, and my memory really begins from my sighted life, yes.


Were you born that way? I honestly don't know.

Did you try being gay first? No. It never occurred to me to try.

Did you experiment before making your decision? No. I always gravitated towards females, especially if they wore a certain perfume...)

When did you choose to let your subconscious,an uncontrollable part of the brain,think of the opposite sex in physical and emotional ways?

As far as I can remember, I've always enjoyed females physically, and emotionally. I like the way women look, the way they smell, tone of laugh, and the way they make me feel. I honestly can't imagine myself ever feeling any other way about them.

As far as being gay is concerned, I've got my own rules of conduct.

1. I don't care if you're gay, if you don't care if I'm straight. Your preferences are your business, and my preferences are mine. Don't tell me I'm living wrong, and I won't tell you you're living wrong.

2. God and religion has nothing to do with that choice. People should be happy, no matter who their choice of partner/lover/spouse is. I guess that falls back on #1. ).

3. Nobody objected to my marriage. Why the devil should I object to theirs?







[edit on 22-3-2009 by metallion]

Im starting a little theory....

That it is geneticaly designated when certian chemicals are released into the brain... so wouldnt it be possible for the first test fires of those chemicals, at the predispositioned time, to stimulate those areas.... Aftert this experiance of stimualtion you would then mentaly examine it and use your enviroment to decide what this feeling is and why it is felt..... from there you would begin binding the part of your brain that would begin conrolling those areas to that stimulus.

thus creating a sexual orintation....

kinda like sexual orintation transformers. they land, get turned on, and scan their enviroment for the behavior to mimic.

I choose to be straight ? i guess when I found my older brother's stash

of porn at the ripe age of 7 or 8

I can distinctly remember sayin to the effect

"I gotta get me some of dis"

I'm not straight, I like people, regardless of gender. If I find someone that I'm attracted to and like, I will date them. I don't think that gender defines a person. Yes usually I date guys... but I'm attracted to everyone... I don't think that's bisexual because you can think someone of the same gender is attractive. I mean, maybe it is, I just don't think it really matters.

It's just DNA. And relationships should be fun. So, this post doesn't sound as sophisticated as I wanted it to, but, I like people, I don't like labels.

Oop, and I knew I didn't care about gender um... when I was 13 maybe? Realized it was a stupid construct.

[edit on 3/22/2009 by ravenshadow13]

I can say that I have definitely "chosen." Several years ago, I thought I was going to have to come out of some closet or something. I mean, that's what some "authority" figures told us we should do.

But I chose.

See, like I said in an earlier post, I've played both sides of the fence. I will never go back to "gay." I'm not sure what you would classify me as back then? Sex was all mixed up to me. My desires have been all over the place, until fairly recently. I'm straightening it out.

Right now I am strongly attracted to females, as it should be. And, I was more aroused by gay porn than straight, not that long ago. I basically just told myself over and over how things "are." I explained a little bit about this in an earlier post. And, it honestly changes you. You start to realize that what you have written down on paper is actually who you are becoming. It feels just as natural as anything, once it starts to take effect. It is natural, because you do create your own reality.

Troy

I saw a girl, I felt high. I saw a boy, I saw my friend.

At first, girls and boys were my brothers and sisters, and soon-after girls became something more than just friends.