Originally posted by toochaos4u
Hrm I thought it was founded by Native American Indians and their various tribes until the fine Christians came over and swindled them land for beads
and other fine worthless trinkets and spread syphilis, smallpox and other disease while uprooting entire villages from their homeland. To add more
great founding they were promised and delivered death, enslavement, and violence.
Nothing says righteous like taking advantage of the vulnerable.
Nothing says lovin like Manifest Destiny, and it destroyed my tribe along with so many others.
What's really nice and hypocritical is that people spew off about how America is founded on Christian beliefs and that the Constitution is based on
the bible, and yet the truth is that it was based largely on the tenets of the Iroquois Confederation.
So, they spout off about how wonderful it is to be a Christian based nation, and enjoying the freedoms that the Christian founders saw fit to include,
based on their biblical beliefs (i've heard that said so many times by Christians)... and yet the very peoples that were decimated and destroyed when
they were invaded are what they based their foundational beliefs upon.
Sad... so very sad, and history is repeating itself.
(From wikipedia regarding the Iroquois influence upon the Founding Fathers)
"In 2004 the U.S. Government acknowledged the influence of the Iroquois Constitution on the U.S. Framers. The Smithsonian Institution also noted
the similarities between the two documents, as well as the differences. One significant difference noted was the inclusion of women in the Iroquois
Constitution, one group among many that the framers of the U.S. Constitution did not include."
Look, seriously, a lot of people who are not religious have no issues with people practicing their religion. I think it can be a healthy thing to do,
when done correctly, and non-fanatically. But that also does not mean that we will sit by while people try to cram it down our throats on a constant
basis, and we WILL speak back about it when needed.
And again, quite frankly, I am not about to sit and listen to someone complaining about how their "religious rights" are being infringed upon, when
my tribe and so many others were very nearly eradicated, their ways of life and belief stripped away, violently, and without apology to this very day.
Most of us still have to live on reservations. Do you?
Seriously. So many threads filled with people who claim "religious freedom" and trying to force their ways on everyone else, regardless of that
other persons beliefs. That's from both sides, mind you. Not just one.
Live with your freedom if you wish.. Worship how you will, whom you will, but do not tread upon the soil of another man's house without exprecting
to be questioned.
As to OT giving out these posts full of quotes from those loving christian men, mind if i ask you to try to find quotes talking about their
apologizing for what they and their forefathers did to our people? The ones that were here all along, long before those forefathers claimed this land
in the name of Manifest Destiny? Maybe even a one-liner that speaks of their gibing all the same freedoms you enjoy today to those who were
Oh, wait. I can already tell you... you won't find any. They didn't care to speak about their freedoms. That would have gotten in the way.
America was not founded on Christian principles like you claim. It was founded on blood, from day one, and it is still flowing today.
Oh wait... maybe that IS Christian, after all.
Sorry for the long post, but it needed to be said.