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Originally posted by cancerian42
Ok, after all your "evidence" can you just help me out on this one little thing? How can you know that the God you believe in is who you think He is? Could not Satan perform such tricks and provide such "evidence" so that he could gain the majority of the world's popularity under the disguise of God? Could not God actually be everything that exists rather than some separate entity and upon that revelation people began to spread the word, but over time it got mixed up in all the different beliefs that everyone held and came to form the thing we call christianity. Could not Jesus have possibly meant something that you don't get when he said he was God? Could not it all just be a fabrication anyways? Could not you ever be wrong and actually try to grow rather than stagnate in the swamp of blissful ignorance and unchanging belief based only on possibilities?
Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by cancerian42
The person who wrote that article is a persuasive writer. She puts a certain spin on the issue of crime and violence and tells us that America has more crime and violence because we are more religious than England. But what she is really doing is comparing two different countries where there are many differences such as culture, population, government, ehtnicity and so on. She takes one difference being religiousness of the citizens and assumes that this must be the reason. However I questin these facts because I am aware that in the last decade the religiousness of England is growing with The Church of England. It is a biased article poorly written, any one with an English degree and who has themselves studied persuasive writting can see right through it. You should have cited a better article and a less biased study. A study whose aim from the get go was not to discredit religion would have been better if there is such a one. This is an industry and Ruth Geldhill is profiting off of it as a so called Religion Corespondant. What does that mean? That she knows more about religion than everyone else? No she doesn't. Like I said, there is a difference between knowing about someone and actually knowing them. And I really doubt if Ruth really knows that much about religion. She is just in it for the money. She got paid to write that article to keep the fire burning, and somewhere someone will write an article refuting it and get paid, and then someone else will write a book about religion and crime, probably Ruth herself and she will get paid and on and on. Its like wrestle mania, and in this corner!
many have reviewed and discredited it...but you are free to believe its emptiness...just life a decade or more longer and you'll come to the right conclusion...
Originally posted by cancerian42
Don't the sentences in bold totally discredit your "statistics" on the increase of crime related to the decrease in christianity?
OK, how would that be...pls support your claim...
OT
Originally posted by cancerian42
Originally posted by OldThinker
On June 25, 1962, the Supreme Court first struck down school prayer by prohibiting students from using this simple invocation:
As a statitician I cannot ignore the cause and effect relationship here...see here for the graphs, data andeffect of the above external source...
www.whatyouknowmightnotbeso.com...
How bout SAT scores, single family homes, STD's, etc etc etc...
My secular-progressives may we please have a civilized discussion on this...or will you continue to ignore....I know its overwhelming huh?
Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Originally posted by cancerian42
Originally posted by cancerian42
Ok, after all your "evidence" can you just help me out on this one little thing? How can you know that the God you believe in is who you think He is? Could not Satan perform such tricks and provide such "evidence" so that he could gain the majority of the world's popularity under the disguise of God? Could not God actually be everything that exists rather than some separate entity and upon that revelation people began to spread the word, but over time it got mixed up in all the different beliefs that everyone held and came to form the thing we call christianity. Could not Jesus have possibly meant something that you don't get when he said he was God? Could not it all just be a fabrication anyways? Could not you ever be wrong and actually try to grow rather than stagnate in the swamp of blissful ignorance and unchanging belief based only on possibilities?
Did you ever answer my questions on p.15, I couldn't find a response? It was not meant to be rhetorical, I really would like to know what you think about these things.
Originally posted by sotp
....So regardless of any Christian morals of the founding fathers, the United States of America have always been non-denominational. Can't there be an agreement on that?
Absolutely!
OT, while you maybe haven't been quoting as much of the bible of late, the sources you are quoting do seem ever-so-slighty biased, making it hard for us non-believers to take them seriously. For example, one of your recent sources regarding the differences between England & the U.S states...
The data speaks for itself...numbers are numbers...the debate is the cause-effect relationship. A biased sample is one in which some members of the population are more likely to be included than others.
Spectrum bias refers to evaluating the ability of a diagnostic test in a biased group of patients which leads to an overestimation of the sensitivity and specificity of the test.
The bias of an estimator is the difference between an estimator's expectation and the true value of the parameter being estimated.
Omitted-variable bias is the bias that appears in estimates of parameters in a regression analysis when the assumed specification is incorrect, in that it omits an independent variable that should be in the model.
In statistical hypothesis testing, a test is said to be unbiased when the probability of rejecting the null hypothesis exceeds the significance level when the alternative is true and is less than or equal to the significance level when the null hypothesis is true.
Systematic bias or systemic bias are external influences that may affect the accuracy of statistical measurements.
Data-snooping bias comes from the misuse of data mining techniques
number are numbers in the study...no bias (technically) bro
However I questin these facts because I am aware that in the last decade the religiousness of England is growing with The Church of England
I guess we are all a product of our own environment...
To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . . Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them."
Morse made an important impact on the educational system of the United States. While teaching at a school for young women, he saw the need for a geography textbook oriented to the forming nation. The result was skimpy and derivative, Geography Made Easy (1784). He followed that with American Geography (1789) which was widely cited and copied. New editions of his schoolchildren textbooks and the more weighty works, often came out yearly, earning him the informal title "father of American geography." His postponed gazetteer for his work of 1784 was bested by Joseph Scott's Gazetteer of the United States in 1795. However, with the aid of Noah Webster and Rev. Samuel Austin, Morse published his gazetteer in 1797, with his Universal Geography of the United States
Originally posted by sotp
reply to post by OldThinker
I wasn't questioning the numbers so much as I was questioning the author...
"However I questin these facts" (sic)
In other words, the author has been presented with facts but won't accept them because they personally have a different viewpoint. Biased, no?
As for your other post about Jedediah Morse, haven't many of us already agreed that there has been a positive influence by many Christians in the U.S? However, you yourself agreed that America has always been a Non-denominational country, so why are you still flogging that poor dead horse?
Also, I apologise if I'm being ignorant here but why the moment of silence?
Originally posted by sotp
As for your other post about Jedediah Morse, haven't many of us already agreed that there has been a positive influence by many Christians in the U.S?
Originally posted by sotp Had to take the laptop I got my daughter for Christmas....
Originally posted by cancerian42
Originally posted by cancerian42
Ok, after all your "evidence" can you just help me out on this one little thing? How can you know that the God you believe in is who you think He is? Could not Satan perform such tricks and provide such "evidence" so that he could gain the majority of the world's popularity under the disguise of God? Could not God actually be everything that exists rather than some separate entity and upon that revelation people began to spread the word, but over time it got mixed up in all the different beliefs that everyone held and came to form the thing we call christianity. Could not Jesus have possibly meant something that you don't get when he said he was God? Could not it all just be a fabrication anyways? Could not you ever be wrong and actually try to grow rather than stagnate in the swamp of blissful ignorance and unchanging belief based only on possibilities?
Did you ever answer my questions on p.15, I couldn't find a response? It was not meant to be rhetorical, I really would like to know what you think about these things.