Originally posted by Good Wolf
I shall go out and buy some acid tabs and see into the spiritual realm.
Doesn't work like that, you would only see the physical world change, not into the spiritual realm.
I'm finding all this rather silly now because you're telling me that there is something inherently mystical or spiritual about sleep. I'd like to see those studies that show this.
Well, sleep is something they are actually trying to understand still. They are looking into it's purposes. But in the bible, there are 2 ways you can see things, in a vision or in a dream. Both said years ago, but known today by "sleep science" to be functions of the 3rd eye. It has been said for thousands of years, and now science has proven that.
I myself don't have random dreams very often. I learn things while in my dreams. I'm a programmer and many many times answers or ways to problems I have I get in my dreams. Even religious things too, I sometimes wake up just knowing and understanding something new. I did once see a thing on dreams that talked about this in the purpose of dreams, how they were a way of working out problems and such.
But again, if you're eyes are what you actually see out of, then how are these dreams possible. Obviously they are not the only thing you see with. And if you even look at science and how the eye works, then you will know that you have never once truly seen the outside world. You only see a tiny proportion of light that your eyes are able to pick up, and that is converted into electrical signals which are then sent to the back of the brain where YOU actually see them.
To what are these images presented to? If you do not actually see with your eyes, you see what has been converted from those eyes, then what do you actually see with? What is it that actually lights up before you?
Btw, the brain actively attempts to erase dreams upon the final stages of sleep. That's why if sleep is interrupted in the middle of the night, dreams are still vivid and clear in your memory. This is more brain function, it's not chemical.
Most all memories are completely "erased" from consciousness. What you remember is actually just an index of the memories. If you look at how database indexing works, the brain works in that kind of a function. Not just in dreams, but in all things. I remember what I dreamed last night, but without any specific mention or "link" to it otherwise - then I will quickly forget it ever happened. When I say the word dog, a single picture immediately comes to mind. And then you can kind of look at other dogs in image based on that. But if you have no link in the word dog, then it doesn't bring up that index. Obviously however, there is still a reason/purpose why it happens.
But it still fails to explain why God would aim to make himself know through "external" means, it's only way to gain certainty.
Because you ignore that the external is just a limited perspective of things. If "God" suddenly appears to you like in the Bruce Almighty movie, what is to say it's not just an advanced being? Whats to say it's not just someone playing an illusion on you? If you accept only the external as such, then you will accept anything with power over you as god.
If I could just up and appear before you, would that mean I was god? Would that be valid enough for you to call me god? Would you worship me? Obviously that is not actually proof. As I mentioned before, there is literally nothing that would ever actually prove god to you externally.
So tell me, what is it that could actually prove to you that God is God? What hoops would he need to jump through for you?
