Originally posted by Good Wolf


By "eye" I meant general perception. Visions, NDEs and all the other spiritual experiences that seem to confirm peoples faith are common in all religions btw.

I'm sure if God really cared (and was all powerful) then I'm sure he wouldn't mind doing something tangible. Something objective, something I could rely on.

It is Love! when you touch your Lover/Wife that is tangible, that s all about, love each other!
You would not stand your man , the appearing Love of God , it s such an immense love that you would faint
Have made some silent Angel meditation, that means I asked for something;
I saw light ,but all time I fell asleep, but I was feeling great few minutes later;
Most of you here are so dominant, I feel I cannot tell you more, as you need tangible facts.
But the spirits have no body...remember!

i wanted to start by saying that i was once a christian, ive read the bible 3 times and sumthing in my gut has always felt their was sumthing wrong in it, i do believe this jesus character did live and that there is some facts to the story however ur not gonna get the whole facts from ne 1 religion,i kno things by feeling and i never felt nething good inside of a church. i grew up 2 become a spirit recuer and a wizard. i have dealt with alotta serious dark paranormal entitys that atked or molested ppl, sumtimes ppl even called on them on purpose not having ne real idea what it was they were dabbling in. i dealt with exorcising ppl of demons. this looks soooooo very similar 2 the things ive seen in my field of work, which i do 4 free becuz i love 2 do it, its what im best at in life dealing with maliscious spirits and freeing ppl from hauntings. although i usually c these things on a much smaller scale than that, that priest or sum1 in that building called upon several dozen dark spirits including ones of a sexual nature, those ppl rolling on the floor looked terrified and it seemed as if most ppl were being inclined to just laugh it off while more came along and went after more ppl, not killing or causing ne serious dmg but leeching them 4 energy and marking them so the spirits would then be connected to them,ive seen those things b4 and many of those ppl were being partially possessed by spirits that have nothing to do with god. i suppose many of u are going to try and disprove this. go right ahead. im just placing a comment based on my experiances and what ive seen with my own 2 eys.

with love and light
myrddin zos

Not trying to be mean but I laughed thru the whole thing.

The true and sad part is that it apears to be more of an occult gathering than a Church gathering.

In todays world people are grasping at straws in an attemt to fulfill that which seems to be lacking in there life.
If this is how they find it more power to them.

As for me I would be to embarassed to get off the floor after everone saw me ackting like an idiot.

Also they might want to stop and think....What if GOD sees this its being vidio taped..

Originally posted by Good Wolf
This reminds me of the argument used against evolution, you know the watchmaker argument.

Yes I understand the idea and I realise that if God does exist then the programmer/matrix idea would be a decent analogy, but that by itself is not a proof.

[You owe me money hand gesture] Tangible evidence, ya know. The only one who needs do anything, or rather has to the power to do something is God himself. I can't make him show himself.

Ever heard the phrase - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink?

Tell me, if your eyes are the only way to see, then how are dreams possible? There is another eye in your head, and that is the eye you can get evidence of god with. Sometimes referred to as the 3rd eye, or the minds eye. It's where dreams come from and so on.

[edit on 30-12-2008 by badmedia]

Originally posted by Good Wolf
People who become blind after birth can see images in their dreams. People who are born blind do not see any images, but have dreams equally vivid involving their other senses of sound, smell, touch and emotion.

So people's brains replicate what they see and experience externally in a virtual manner.

Third eye = brain doing it's thing.

Yet even if it weren't, it' would still be subjective. Is God unable to not do anything dubjectively? Is it to much trouble for an all-powerful being?

I've heard of people who were blind since birth being able to see through the 3rd eye, and they speak in spiritual terms.

Your mistake here is that you believe what your eyes show you, and nothing else. Which is funny, because you even went so far as to quote people who say exactly - don't trust your eyes.

The third eye is the pineal gland. Which regulates BOTH the world you see, and the world beyond. It is the levels of certain chemicals that make up the difference between the 2 worlds. If it starts to kick up the levels of chemicals while you are still awake, you will start to hallucinate and see things in this reality. It's what certain drugs do. But in reality, the biggest dose of those drugs you will ever get comes at night while you are sleeping. Such high doses that it's one reason you don't remember much of it. If it happened during the day, then you are "crazy and see hallucinations".

Jesus also talks about this, how people in the dark will see. By ignoring these things, you turn a blind eye(singular, not pural) to god.

As I said before, I know what you are thinking. It's exactly what I use to say all the time too. It's not until you realize the external is just as much of a lie that you will be able to understand. So good luck in that. In the mean time, it would be foolish of you to dismiss what anyone understands as delusions. Just as it was foolish of me when I did it. Probably not going to stop you, didn't stop me. But that's the way things go.

The way I see it, you are on a natural path similiar to my own. You've seen the hypocrisy of the church and stuff, and rejected it. Step 1. As the most immediate response, you have then taken the opposite side for the time being. But in time you will see that the opposite side is also a lie. At which point, you will start to seek and then you will find. Currently, you aren't seeking, you are denying because it hasn't seek/found you(as far as you are aware anyway).

Believe me when I say this - You are closer to finding god than most of those in a church. You've already rejected what is feed and started to look on feeding yourself(seeking).